I have a perfect roll on my gheleons demise. Check out my titan. The problem is that thorn has more rate of fire [b]and[/b] burning, while also having all the other benefits of thorn. I love using gheleons, but scouts just can't compete with hand cannons on almost all of destiny maps. But I've had some great moments of wrecking hand cannoners with scouts. I also have the SUROS-scout roll that you had talked about.