now... im technically a christmas noob... got game in january... but i caught the VoG fever hard man... didnt want vender gear or nothin... and i beat my first hard VoG as a 28... took like 4 hours... as most of us were under leveled... and i must say i admire those pre-dark below grinders... wish i coulda been there for the glory... im actually still looking for all the pieces for my toons to complete the sets... damn titan boots WILL NOT DROP!