It is a popular theory, the reason the Vex and Hive are here at the same time is because the Vex travelled back in time once the Darkness summoned them, they also seem to be looking for something on Mars and Venus (probally related to the Ahamkara). And with "evolved" I meant that the Hive created the Vex (take a look at the machines they built past the Halls of Wisdom).

I actually have a theory the vex created the hive...

The Vex have existed for billions of years & were on earth before we ever were. The Vex Data Milk actually contains radiolarians (protozoa found as early as the Paleolithic era). The Vex were born in the Black Garden, as are the ghosts, but they weren't always the way they are now. Their original purpose was to tend to the garden, but it was the arrival of the Black Heart that changed that. The Black Heart was created by Lupi (the Traveler) unintentionally. All of this is supported by these grim cards: Ghost Fragment Traveler Ghost Fragment Traveler 2 Legend: The Black Garden A Stranger's Call Undying Mind Hobgoblin Ghost Fragment Vex 3 Sol Progeny

That's really cool, thanks for correcting me!

No problem. There's some really interesting things in the lore if you dig deep enough. I love it!

Me too, my favourite is the one about Cayde-6 fighting along side a Fallen captain against the Hive.

What grimoire is that?

It is called "Ghost Fragment: Fallen".

Do you know a link to it? Because I don't have it

[b]Here you go buddy,[/b] Cayde-6 Reminisces Okay, okay, I'll tell the story about that one Fallen. It didn't happen like that. We didn't, you know, do anything actively - no handshake, no icy stare of grudging mutual respect. I don't even know which hand you would shake. Do they shake hands? It must be complicated. Anyway, it was like this. I was on the Moon. I cracked a Hive structure near Mare Imbrium, looking for a Shrine, and they just - swarmed. Ranks and ranks and ranks of Thrall, pouring out between the columns, but the columns were Knights, and all the shadows behind them rose up hissing sorcery. Of course I ran. I had a line of egress and while yes it was full of Thrall I had a backup too. I went upslope. Took cover in the shadow of a crashed Phaeton. Emptied my machine gun, ducked down to reload, and saw her at the other end of the hull, killing Thrall: a Fallen in Exile colors, bannered in the marks of a Baron, though the flags were claw-torn and stained with Hive ash. She was alone. I think she must have lost her crew. I didn't really have time to shoot her and she didn't really have time to shoot me so we just went back to killing Hive. Knights pushed me out into the open and back up the range to a high stone saddle in the shadow of an old interferometry array. It was good ground so she came up there too. For a while we just killed things which is hard to make interesting in a story so I'll pass it over. At the end the Wizards came. I climbed the array to get an angle on them and she fell back to the base of the antennae where she broke her swords off in a Knight. I saw that happen and I don't know if I can tell you how I felt. She was another living thing with a mind I could understand and she hadn't howled at me or tried to eat my Ghost. I cheered when the Knight went down. When I came down, empty on all guns, she was slumped against a bulkhead staring at me with all her tiny black eyes. Ether leaking out of her like smoke. The Knight hadn't died easily. Downslope the last Wizard moved like fire behind another line of Thrall. I looked at her and wondered how many innocent human lives she'd ended on those broken blades. She did the strangest thing then. Took the last shock pistol from her bandolier and threw it between us, as if to offer it. When I went to pick it up she tried to knife me, but she was slow, and when I broke her arms and opened her throat she didn't seem surprised. To this day I wonder if she hated me, or wanted to make me kill her, or just felt she should spare me the choice. I did kill a few Thrall with that pistol.

What part makes you say it was a captain? I'm not saying it wasn't, I just always pictured it as a vandal.

I thought Cayde said it was a Captain, but you're absolutely right it can be a Vandal.

This is amazing, what grimoire is it from? Sounds as though it could be dreggs promise?

That's one of my favorites too. Nice!

I love the story in the cards, I'm angry they couldn't put into long stories to take us across worlds and in depth cutscenes to help with hard earned exotics at the end. That was what I wanted out of bungie...