Either 9-0 or remove it. If you cant get 9-0 then Im sorry don't complain. Once Ive gone 9-0 Im helping all my friends go 9-0 then strangers. Im not MLG at Crucible but I managed to get 10 people to light house last week so I think Im decent. I use Hawkmoon and Found Verdict. Never pick up heavy ammo. I believe Im part of the few of the decently skilled people in this game. (Everyone who uses Vex and Thorn are indeed scrubs and try hards. Idm TLW.) Edit: I can use Party Crasher +1, Secret Handshake etc. Only shotgun I shall never use is Felwinters. Found Verdict is not a scrub gun nor is Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon ACTUALLY requires marksmanship, if u panic u will not land a shot or more importantly a precision show. With TLW u pan fire. With Vex just hold R2/RT. With Thorn shoot and run behind a wall for lingering damage to execute. Im taking it you cant use Hawkmoon if u think its a scrub gun xD. Oh and I can use Fatebringer... WoC... VoC... JoO xD really doesnt matter to me, my performance is the same. Just prefer hawkmoon because I enjoy the feedback.