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Edited by JustOnePepsi: 6/1/2015 4:06:26 PM
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Bungie doesn't understand how firearms work.

Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous. I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."? This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly. http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...) http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png And most Destiny revolvers are like this. http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress. It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version. http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers. So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs. *sigh* http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys! And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why? Maybe Scout Rifles will be better? I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb. http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie! inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense... EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same. To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else... http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv

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  • Edited by Colgate: 6/1/2015 5:41:31 PM
    We're playing in a universe where: -A giant spherical Space God used space magic to terraform 3 completely uninhabitable planets into inhabitable planets as easily as we can brush our teeth. -Little machines spawned from said Space God can bring people back from the dead after being dead for [b]probably hundreds of years[/b] and then bring them back an unlimited amount of time after, also as easily as we can brush our teeth. - Our main enemies (so far) are as follows: Four-armed aliens that have watched way too many Game of Thrones episodes, undead and old-as-fuk aliens where the leaders can (possibly) create their own pocket dimensions, time travelling machines whose capabilities we have not the slightest idea of, and walking rhino men that have way too much testosterone. -We can [b]summon[/b] and [b]hold[/b] a flaming gun that is probably more powerful than any weapon we have today short of an A-10. -We can create and launch a giant purple orb that, again, is probably more powerful than any weapon we have today short of an A-10. -We can fill ourselves with lighting to either do a ground smash (that can survive any height) that would impress even the Hulk, or have a freaking [b]lightning blade[/b] that renders your enemies into no more than static. -We can fill ourselves with fire to bring ourselves back from the dead without the help of the aforementioned Space God spawn. -We can create a nigh indestructible energy bubble that is only one-upped by the POTUS's bunker. -We can pretty much fly for short distances -We can double and triple jump as if we were in an old platformer -We use freaking Star Wars speeders as our means of transportation. -We have an unlimited supply of grenades (that we can throw dozens if not 100+ feet away) that spawn out of nowhere. -We can sprint, jump, and pretty-much-fly while holding huge machine guns and rocket launchers for indefinite periods of time. And you want to complain about how the guns aren't realistic.

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    • We can touch Venus without dying We can look at the sun on Mercury without going blind Ships reach orbit in 1 sec Xur comes from Jupiter (he is Jovian) while there is no actual surface on Jupiter Mars doesn't look 6000 times bigger while playing in Phobos (it should look it up on Google) Earth looks as a gas giant from the moon You can't see the moon while on earth Deimos looks extremely small on Martian sky compared to Phobos Cabal have gasoline inside (notice the black liquid that drops when you kill them) Plants somehow grow on Venus Metal doesn't melt on mercury Cars doesn't melt on Venus Venus has red water Destiny just doesn't have any logic at all

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      • Edited by vlocomocosv: 6/2/2015 4:18:24 AM
        Maybe they had the idea of a feeding mechanism which pushed the rounds up into the chamber like a simple gas cycle , when the cylinder cycles it pushed the round up into the chamber? And maybe the lmg has the same feature where when the rounds are ready to be fed It's pushes into the chamber being locked and loaded ? Although the court rifle magazine doesn't really makes sense even if it fed through the back it curves into the handle But in the end it is a game and I don't really mind to it I just like to play :)

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      • The trajectory of the Nova Bomb is totally unrealistic.. My Nova Bomb in real life can go much further.

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      • I'm glad someone else noticed the silly scout rifle scout rifle design, that bugged me. and to all the people saying "waaaa it's a sci-fi game blus bluh bluh" the first part of sci fi is short for SCIENCE. obviously destiny is far from realistic in a lot of ways hence the fiction part. but a big allure of the genre is exploring FICTIONAL settings that seen believable. perfect example is mass effect, obviously we're not a part of an intergalactic community fighting off giant near invincible artificial intelligence bent on extermination of organic life, but the setting of that universe is so immaculately thought out that it seems like it's all possible.

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      • It's a science fiction game. Science fiction. FICTION.

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      • Uhm your comparing Destiny guns to real life guns? It's a SCI-FI game

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      • Bungie doesn't understand that multiplayer games should have optional matchmaking and in game lfg tools...but hey, what does every other multiplayer game know?

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      • I agree! Being a gun guy in real life I have had to look past these things. Hawkmoon is the only hand cannon that is correctly designed

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        • There are some lower barreled hand cannons, where they have the firing pin is lower down. The actual hammer doesn't have to hit the round...

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          • Actually, it is you who know nothing of firearms. The handcannon design is actually sound, and believe it or not, is used in real life. The more the barrel is in line with your hand (in this case lower) the less recoil (up in most cases) you will encounter. And besides all that bro, space magic.

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          • A sci fi fantasy type game were were revived from the dead by a self propelled drone that talks, shows emotion in said conversations. Unrealistic guns who would have thought .

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          • Yeah I've raised this question before. Also, how is it that when we're in the reef, everyone disreagrds four things. #1: Its probably like -230 degrees #2: There's no oxygen so we'd all suffocate and die #3: There's gravity in the hangar #4: Candles are burning behind brother Vance (clearly no oxygen) All of this could've been disregarded if they would have put a shield door on the hangar. But no we're just floating around in space like la-dee-dah.

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            • Destiny is in the future. Guns have evolved deal with it

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            • Edited by Flash aaaahhhh: 6/1/2015 8:18:13 PM
              So... Rifled barrels are an upgrade. Haven't those been standard in automatic weapons since the early 1900s?

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            • Space Magic Git Gud Scrub[spoiler]Im Joking lol[/spoiler]

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            • ITT fanboys unable to rationalize criticism

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            • You know what pisses ME off??? When I put on a cloak and try to triple-jump in real life and instead I look like a fish out of water and end up falling and hurting my knees...

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            • Come on man, your complaining about the guns function in s game where we have ships that travel at light(hyper) speed. Shoot space magic out of our hands, and are still using old world like combustible weapons!? My problem isn't the design, its the fact I'm not shooting a laser cannon. Or that I can't pick up a weapon from a dead enemy's corpse. I really want a fallen weapon that can follow my opponents movements. You'd think after battling these enemies for decades we'd be able to amass a large arsenal of enemy weapons to backwards engineer.

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              • Scout rifles are a bulpup design There are real guns like that

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                • You're absolutely right. The only thing I can think of in their defense is, copywrite infringement/etc. I.e staying away from the standard design so as to avoid any association between Destiny guns, and real life HCs/etc... Making them so absurd that no company could say they were copied. Just a thought. I noticed the same thing on HCs and am not a fan

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                • Oh my god, who the hell cares??? It's a freaking fictional video game for Christ's sake. Just leave it alone. If you want the weapons to be designed "right" then get a graphic design job at bungie. Last time I checked, bungie designed them in their image.

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                • School

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                • Lol it's just a game and the answer is space magiiiiiiiiiiiiic lol .

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                • I noticed what you said about the heavy machine guns but who actually cares? (Other than you). It is a game, thats it, a fictional world created for our enjoyment, so what if Weapons wouldn't work?

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                  • The super is pretty unrealistic too. Like when I hulk smash shit in real life blue electricity doesn't shoot out lol

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