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Edited by Jack:
5/17/2015 1:03:14 AM
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What does this have to do with evolution? I don't know what there was before the big bang, or how it happened. But it is proven that it [i]did[/i] happen.
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I'm not knocking evolution but it helps to know where everything started to get a better idea right?
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Not really, Evolution describes what happens after life already exist, not how it got here.
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So life evolved from space dust and rock? There's no way to prove how life was created am I correct
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Edited by Jack: 5/17/2015 1:14:29 AMLife originated from 4 elements commonly found in the universe, carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and nitrogen. We have created organics from non-organics in labs. Life from nonlife is done definitely possible
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[quote]Life originated from 4 elements commonly found in the universe, carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and nitrogen. We have created organics from non-organics in labs. Life from nonlife is done definitely possible[/quote] Can you reference that for me? I'm intrigued.
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google the miller Urey experiment.
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Then why don't we see this happening on a normal basis today. Those molecules are abundant on earth. Hypothetically speaking, shouldn't this still be observable in nature?
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list things that threat life, and then list things that life needs. if your unable to make conclusions based on that I can elaborate. also the composition of the atmosphere has changed a lot.
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[quote]Then why don't we see this happening on a normal basis today. Those molecules are abundant on earth. Hypothetically speaking, shouldn't this still be observable in nature?[/quote] Because life actively happens. Our rationalization concludes something was either alive or dead, not inorganic, organic, then compost. Life could be popping up in front of your very eyes, for example, tardigrades, extremely small lifeforms that can be "dead", or rather dormant for over 10 years, only to be reanimated by a single drop of water. These complex lifeforms are strangely the most likely to ever "pop up" or "begin existing" due to their scale, yet could you ever imagine trying to observe it's process in the wild? These things smaller than the eye of a needle... Could you imagine how hard it would be to look at literally nothing, just to observe what nothing might do? It takes an extremely long time for elements to come together to make even a small lifeform such as. Then we get into dietary complexities where sizes begin to vary. If we go back a few million years, we can observe periods in which our atmosphere had access to more nitrogen and oxygen. During this time, we see vegetation grow MUCH larger, resulting in larger courses with MUCH less proteins per serving. This resulted in larger dinosaurs to deal with the larger trees and vegetation. What I aim to discuss is that once life gets on track, it constantly resists it's conditions. That's why we have hair to deal with cold weather, muscles to work hard and fast and consciousness for decision making.
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The creation of these lifeforms though is what intrigues me. Cells had to of been created if not evolved from a lesser form. A cell wall, the ability to maintain itself and grow, the ability to process food and the ability to reproduce or split, but living cells arise from other deceased cells. Just seems impossible
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Cells could form in areas where heat is expanding. Energy weighs so little, and in energy pockets, all kinds of bacteria are able to form if supplied means of expansion, such as water. That's just two basic elements.
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Life isn't observable in nature? Are you on crack?
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Your avoiding my question. The formation of life from those elements alone
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I'm not, your question was weird. If you mean why don't we observe life being created from those molecules, we do. We have observed it in a lab. Let alone in our everyday lives.
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So let's just act like I could contain these elements and set them outside somewhere observable. They would eventually create life all on their own?
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I don't know, its what life is made of. Do you understand what DNA is? Those elements make up DNA. Those elements can form organics in the right conditions.
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I'm not trying to create negativity here or start a big argument its just always something I had wondered and I thought maybe you'd have some insight. I am not familiar with DNA unfortunately. Its just mind numbing to understand how there was nothing and then a billions of years later there's life randomly
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There's no shame in not knowing something, I'm proud that you can admit it. Not everyone can. Unfortunately I do not have all of the answers. I can use what we know about life, and come up with conclusions but I can't be certain. However its important to realize that just because we don't know something, doesn't mean God did it. A couple billion years is a very long time, much longer than most people realize. A lot can happen in that time.
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Granted our beliefs are probably different but I just can't dismiss the idea of a greater power. It just feels right and I know feels right is different than ACTUALLY right. I do not dismiss evolution it has been proven, but as long as their is no solid proof of spontaneous generation I will believe in a greater power. It would take quite a significant finding to sway my belief and I'll be honest its probably impossible to sway my belief.
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It might just feel right because it's so nice to have an answer to such a big question. Unfortunately it doesn't mean it's the right answer. It may be that life needs very particular conditions to arise from non living material. It may have only occurred naturally once, which means we're not necessarily looking for something that is [i]likely[/i] to happen, just something that is possible. This isn't evolution we're discussing any more though, it's abiogenesis. Have fun learning all about it, it's a fascinating subject.
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That's fine, we have proven life can come from nonlife, but we can't go back in a time machine and see it happen.
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And started where?
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The sun.
