Here is the biggest problem i have with your post: first it was the Vex was tooo OP then it was ARs are toooo OP then it was Shotguns and Fusion Rifles are tooooo OP now its Thorn and TLW are tooo OP If Bungie nerfs these two weapons it will be: Truth is toooooooo OP. Nerf the tracking or blast radius. Enough already. Must we emasculate every gun in crucible to the point we get back to the Vex being tooo OP? Learn and adjust to playing against these guns instead of whining and crying for a nerf. And I DONT PLAY PvP on Destiny.