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5/8/2015 2:39:32 AM
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I have a question. So when animals evolve, lets take us for example... We were descendant from apes and we slowly evolved into humans. What were we in the middle stages? Hunched over apes? Disformed animals? Animals adapt to nature. If a fish in its middle stages grew wings but couldn't fly yet would mean it had useless wings which wouldn't be adapting at all. It would be making it worse. If we used to be hunched over apes how could we survive if we were downgraded apes? Wouldn't we go extinct because we honestly wouldn't belong in nature? I thought our ape evolution would make us more intelligent and more adaptive not downgraded... Our whole bodily system would be messed up... Also why don't we see middle staged evolved apes right now? Why don't we have fossils of middle staged apes?
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  • We arent humans right know. Humans shouldn't have any body hair. We are just evolved apes on the step to get humans. And the only thing denying evolution, is that you're dumb af

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  • Edited by SSG ACM: 5/11/2015 1:53:40 PM
    [quote]We were descendant from apes...[/quote]More specifically, evolution teaches that we and apes were descended from a common ancestor. [quote]...and we slowly evolved into humans. What were we in the middle stages? Hunched over apes? Disformed animals?[/quote]Evolution brings up the fact that our biology is an ever-changing process so more specifically, we are never at a moment considered "in the middle stages" since that would have to be implying that our biology would be at a point "limited" and no longer "evolving," but the study encourages that every organisms environment very slowly affects the genetics of that organism's line.[quote]Animals adapt to nature.[/quote]True, but no matter what they do, they can't change their biology (I'll explain in a little bit). [quote]If a fish in its middle stages grew wings but couldn't fly yet, would [it] mean it [would have] useless wings, which wouldn't be adapting at all. It would be making it worse... Wouldn't we go extinct because we honestly wouldn't belong in nature?[/quote]This is where Natural Selection conflicts with itself. According to the evolutionary process of Natural Selection, it affects the physical (which actually also leaves us to speculate about the origins of intelligence) because of the current environmental hazards affecting the biology of the organism in that current environment. As observed in the OP, the insect scenario showed that the insects "evolved" from their current state to a more resistant state to the DDT, but mysteriously reverted. Natural Selection serves to evolve those that are at a physical advantage, and cause those that are at a physical inconvenience to die before procreation among its own kind (and that's another point that I'll get to). So in this process, the physical adept evolve not to form new appendages or to learn new information but to survive in their current state (as it is again exhibited in the insect scenario). Hypothetically, if a fish wanted to go on land, it would have to gradually develop the ability to do so over many generations. Correct? Answer: Limbs. ...but what does this do to the biology of the animal? Answer: It becomes no longer streamlined; and so, according to evolutionary process dictated by Natural Selection, it naturally dies, but that species is preserved from mutations and extra-genetics. No matter how evolution causes biology to evolve, it isn't by the dogma of Natural Selection since it contradicts the process of evolution; and so, the science conflicts.[quote]I thought our ape evolution would make us more intelligent and more adaptive not downgraded...[/quote]Intelligence is not heriditary. It is not something that if a doctor and another doctor had a child, their child would not have at least a smart enough mind to be adequate enough to obtain a master's degree. Evolution is very contradictory. It is one of the best forms of pseudoscience. It has no explanation of organic origins manifesting from non-organic material, the fossil record lacks the necessary amount of fossils to act as evidence for evolution, 50 tons of cosmic dust fall on the earth daily yet not enough substantiate the claim of four and a half billion years of existence (the moon does not even substantiates this), and the origins of intelligence and irreducible complexity is not explainable by evolution; thus, evolution is believed in through faith (and evidence for that faith), the universe has to be less than 10,000 years old, and something infinite should have existed in order for finite things to exist.

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  • Edited by Britton: 5/8/2015 4:14:42 AM
    There are no middle stages. To say there is a middle stage implies that what we currently are at is the end state, which isn't true. We ourselves are also a middle stage for some future species. Species merely change over time based on the natural selection pressures of their environment, and random mutation. Make sense? Also we do have fossils of "middle stage" apes. http://humanorigins.si.edu/resources/intro-human-evolution [spoiler]follow the menu on the right side of the link screen. The how do we know tab is especially good.[/spoiler] This is a good resource for your questions. It'll take some reading, but if you're genuinely interested the answers to your questions are there.

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  • Thanks for the info. If you don't mind me asking, dinosaurs evolved into birds right? If they did would there be early stages in them-I guess-growing wings? How does that work exactly?

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  • Edited by Britton: 5/8/2015 5:37:45 AM
    So (some) dinosaurs didn't have wings, but they did have arms. Basically (I'm putting this incredibly simply) the arms evolved into wings. The bone structures actually stayed pretty much the same anatomically, just changed shape and density. And as feathers evolved and the smaller and smaller species survived and the larger ones became extinct, over hundreds of millions of years and billions of generations the birds of today came into existence through natural selection. So basically they didn't grow wings, their arms changed function to become what we call wings. Vertebrates in general share very similar bone structures, and even in animals missing limbs, their skeletons still show evidence of what was once there. For example humans have tail bones, and whales and snakes have remnant bones from where their legs were on their ancestors. I hope that's helpful. I kept it as short and sweet as I could.

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  • Edited by SSG ACM: 5/8/2015 4:24:31 AM
    Britton, I'm under the assumption he hasn't read my OP. Look at what he says in between the lines.

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  • Yeah I didn't take the time into doing so sorry.

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  • Edited by SSG ACM: 5/9/2015 8:11:46 PM
    That's okay. Originally, how do you suppose anything came to be?

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  • I don't care, I'm answering the dudes questions and steering him in the right direction.

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  • Okay.

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  • Edited by SSG ACM: 5/8/2015 2:42:43 AM
    I'm not an Atheist.

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  • Implying you have to be an atheist to believe in evolution. Also implying atheist are the only ones who understand evolution, oh wait you made that abundantly clear.

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  • Edited by SSG ACM: 5/8/2015 2:52:37 AM
    And your purpose of still typing to me is? You are probably the only person I know who acts as a child on these forums. So if we are going to talk about each other, let's be honest.

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