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Evolution is a fact, but...

Evolution is a fact only at a very small scale. It is fantasy when it is used to explain how plants and animals came into existence or how human beings supposedly evolved from apelike ancestors. We might summarize the fantasy by saying that, where the theory of evolution is true, it is not very interesting, and where it is most interesting, it is not true. If “evolution” merely refers to a process of cyclical (back and forth) variation in response to changing environmental conditions, then evolution is a fact that can be observed both in nature and in laboratory experiments. For example, when a population of insects is sprayed with a deadly chemical like DDT, the most susceptible insects die but the individuals most resistant to the poison survive to breed and leave offspring, which inherit the genes that provide resistance. After many generations of insects have been sprayed, the entire surviving population may be comprised of the DDT-resistant variety, and some new form of insect control will have to be applied. Such changes are not permanent, however, because the resistant mosquitoes are more fit than the others only for as long as the insecticide is applied. When the environment becomes free of the toxic chemical, the insect population tends to revert to what it was before. A similar effect explains how disease-causing bacteria become resistant to antibiotic drugs like penicillin, which then are no longer as effective in controlling the disease as they formerly were. Almost all illustrations of “evolution in action” in textbooks or museum exhibits are similar to these examples. They involve no increase in complexity or appearance of new body parts or even permanent change of any kind. Small-scale, reversible population variations of this sort are usually called microevolution, although “adaptive variation” would be a better term. It is misleading to describe adaptive variation as “evolution,” because the latter term commonly refers also to macroevolution. Macroevolution is the grand story of how life supposedly evolved by purely natural processes from very simple beginnings to become complex, multicelled plants and animals, and eventually human beings, without God’s participation being needed at any step along the way. Charles Darwin assumed that macroevolution was merely microevolution extended over very long periods of time. Biology textbooks, museums, and television programs still teach people to make the same assumption, so that examples of microevolution are used as proof that complex animals and even human beings evolved from simpler organisms by a similar process. The primary flaw in the story of macroevolution is that all plants and animals are packed with information—the complicated instructions that coordinate the many processes enabling the body and brain to function. Even Richard Dawkins, the most famous living advocate of Darwin’s theory, admits that every cell in a human body contains more information than all the volumes of an encyclopedia, and every one of us has trillions of cells in his or her body, which have to work together in marvelous harmony. The greatest weakness of the theory of evolution is that science has not discovered a process that can create all the necessary information, which can be likened to the software that directs a computer. Without such a demonstrated creative process, evolution is merely a story, because [b]its supposed mechanism can neither be duplicated in a laboratory nor observed in nature.[/b] It is true that there are patterns of similarity among living creatures. For example, humans, apes, mice, worms, and even plants have many similar genes. The important question is not whether there are similarities among all living things but whether those similarities came about through a natural process akin to the observable examples of adaptive variation that we find in textbooks and museum exhibits. One mistake Christians often make in debating evolution is to take on too many issues at once, rather than starting with the most important problem and solving it first. For example, evolution requires a time scale of many millions of years, while many people understand the Bible to allow for an earth history of only a few thousand years. The evolutionary time scale is debatable, but debating it involves several complex scientific disciplines and distracts attention from the most important defect of the theory of evolution. The only mechanism the evolutionists have is a combination of random variation and natural selection, illustrated by the survival of the insects that happened to be resistant to an insecticide. [b]This Darwinistic mechanism has never been shown to be capable of creating new genetic information[/b] or new complex body parts such as wings, eyes, or brains. Without a mechanism that can be demonstrated to be capable of the necessary creation, the theory of evolution is just a fantasy with no real scientific basis. The Bible teaches, “In the beginning God created” and “In the beginning was the Word.” A simple way of explaining this basic principle is to say that a divine intelligence existed before anything else and that intelligence was responsible for the origin of life and for the existence of all living things, including human beings. [b]No matter how much time we might allow for evolution to do the necessary creating, the evidence shows that the process would never get started[/b] because all evolution can do is to further minor variations in organisms that are already living, without any change in their basic classification. When the Bible says, “In the beginning God created” (Gen 1:1), it is presenting us with a fact, which we need to know to understand everything else, including what we were created for and how God wants us to live. The Bible also says that God created men and women in His own image. That, too, is a fact. If it were not true, there would be no science, because [b]no theory of evolution can demonstrate how intelligence came into existence[/b], including the intelligence of misguided people who misuse science to try to explain creation without allowing any role to God. “In the beginning was the Word.” The Bible says it and, properly understood, the evidence of science confirms it. Anyone who says otherwise is peddling fantasy, not fact.

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  • You can't say it's a fact the follow it by [quote]but...[/quote] I'm atheist and believe in evolution, I just thought that was funny.

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    • My God used evolution to create more and more advanced organisms Your missing the part where the animals more suited to their environment outcompete and therefore outbred the less suited animals.

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      • Well I think it would be most beneficial to respond to your evolution claims without the need to reference God, being that these concepts have nothing to do with each other. Trying to say that micro and macroevolution are somehow separate is ridiculous. We know the evolution occurs in species, it's a fact. So when we investigate what changes this model has had in the millions of years animals have been on this planet it's really not necessary to add the macro pretext. It's all just evolution. It's becoming very common for creationists to add that little "macro" title so that they still say they refute evolution even though it's been proven. The DNA evidence alone confirms the changes in what we call species. It explains clearly why we see such minor changes in the same species, bigger changes in animals such as dogs and wolves, and incredible changes such as birds and reptiles. Religion is the single most reliable way for intelligent people to accept absurdities and deny facts.

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        • Do some research on spontaneous formation of organic molecules in a primordial soup Let it sink in Do you any idea how long 3 billion years is

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          • Edited by Britton: 5/4/2015 6:13:28 AM
            Tell ya what, I answered everyone of your questions with what evolution actually is. How about adjusting your viewpoint to what you learned.

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            • Bruh...Holy shet, O.o

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              • Edited by TwistedKinetiX: 5/4/2015 8:26:20 AM
                I've come to find the evolution/creation debate quite pointless and boring. I grew up in an pro-evolutionary education system and also spent a number of years surrounded by creationist minded Christians during a period of my life in a church. Both sides do have rationale and interesting perspectives to their arguments in some way. I'm a fairly open minded individual and believe there's possibilities in anything. But... I DONT KNOW BECAUSE I WASNT THERE... AND THEY DONT KNOW BECAUSE THEY WERENT THERE. It's very simple in fact. Because we just don't know... Nobody walking this earth right at this moment was there during that time, nobody ever witnessed any of this. So none of us really know. In both cases it's faith. Faith in the words of the religion and teachings of religious leaders, and it's faith in science with math, education and opinions of people who are usually smarter than me who can baffle me with science. But, no matter how much scientists try to baffle me with science, or I hear a religious perspective trying to convict my conscience about my afterlife status or position with God, I have my own peace not to let it settle in my head. Why, again, none of them were there, so none of them are right, and none of you are right.... So unless you were there, then you don't have credibility to argue your side... If you were, then I'm all ears. Evolution and Creationism are both faith based belief systems. Fact. Edit: For clarification, I'm not an Atheist. I have a comfy seat on top of the fence. Life's a lot simpler up here.

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                • "Hurr durr I don't like Science uhurrr" Tldr but I think I got the point. It's funny how people can't understand evolution, how thick d'ya gotta be? :)

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                  • Plz

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                    • Soo god then, right?

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                      • [quote]Evolution is true on a very small scale and doesn't work over time[/quote] "Thats where you're wrong, and your a stupid fgt for thinking otherwise." -#Offtopic. Stay classy, Flood.

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                        • ]____________________ | | | Bad B8 m8 | | | | Go home op | |___________________| (\__/) .|| (•_•) || / う||

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                          • Tl;dr?

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                            • Are you familiar with the fact that your DNA has to be remade every once and a while. Primarily because it's in a cell that is replicating somewhere in your body and it needs more then half of the DNA of the last cell. Durning this process an average of 3 errors are made Get that [b][u]3[/u][/b]. Sometime the cells that are doing this are egg cells or sperm cell, or thee times it might be the cells that produce them. If that happens to any of the cells mentioned (which it will) the offspring of that organism (a ape in this case) will be different from the original organism. "Oh wow a whole 3 errors!" Except there's the sperm and the egg So 6 errors Chimps have 48 chromosomes 6x48 is 228 Chimps also have somewhere around 30 trillion cells [ more accurate number needed] So 30 trillion time 48 comes too 1.44ex10^15 For those of you who don't understand that it's 1,440,000,000,000,000 errors between a chip and it's kid Luckily most of the errors don't do much by them selves it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of generations to create new genes (genes in this case referring to segments of DNA that have an effect on the development, anatomy, or function of the body part). In the mean time all this extra data is locked into the DNA and more is added by errors some errors don't add anything to the DNA some simple change the genetic marker. So over the billions of years that life has existed and inconceivable number of errors have occurred in the DNA of animals to create an incredibly complex molecule (the largest know molecule might I add) yeah it's taken billions of year but there have been quadrillions upon quadrillions of replications since then creating the complex molecules that are DNA

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                              • How can evolution be real if our eyes arnt real?

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                                • Bump if you read the whole thing[spoiler]not me lol[/spoiler]

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                                  • Stupidest text I've read all day.

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                                    • But? Sorry kids, but it doesn't work like that. The theory of gravity is a fact, but because a couple millennia old book doesn't explain it, so we're going to fly off into space.

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                                      • As a fellow Christian may I say [spoiler]to hell with these damn religious posts [/spoiler] [spoiler]bible wasn't meant to be taken literately all the time [/spoiler] [spoiler]it was a bunch of middle eastern guys that explained things best they knew how[/spoiler] [spoiler]doesn't mean there's isn't a scientific explanation [/spoiler] [spoiler]who says god doesn't use science?[/spoiler] [spoiler]quite thinking so hard on this shit[/spoiler]

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                                        • I'm no scientist, couldn't tell you

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                                          • I don't need your copypasted shit.

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                                            • "I'm an open minded atheist who is completely objective, and if you deny evolution, you're a crazy Bible thumping science denier!" I'll admit, there's a couple of you who don't act like this, and props to you guys. But only a few.

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                                              • Hey look another guy posting in his mother's basement.

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                                                • I could not say it any better myself.

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                                                • When did "Off Topic" become "Public Religious Jerking Off"?

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                                                  • Reading through all the replies i see a common trait with the OP. 1) Puts out false biased information from biased non-credible sources. 2) Counter argues with illogical biased information. 3)Gets excited when other incorrect biased religious people comment. (The select answer is someone else who is wrong and biased towards religion) 4) Whenever someone counter argues him, like a typical biased religious person he avoids most of it and counter argues 1 portion of it taking it out of context. 5) [b][u]Completely ignores the fact he contradicted himself and in his own words shouldn't believe in God.[/u][/b] If you really have any intentions of having a debate with someone you need to have an open mind which you don't. Science isn't biased and uses factual information and before anything in science is deemed credible there is a process for it.

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