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Evolution is a fact, but...

Evolution is a fact only at a very small scale. It is fantasy when it is used to explain how plants and animals came into existence or how human beings supposedly evolved from apelike ancestors. We might summarize the fantasy by saying that, where the theory of evolution is true, it is not very interesting, and where it is most interesting, it is not true. If “evolution” merely refers to a process of cyclical (back and forth) variation in response to changing environmental conditions, then evolution is a fact that can be observed both in nature and in laboratory experiments. For example, when a population of insects is sprayed with a deadly chemical like DDT, the most susceptible insects die but the individuals most resistant to the poison survive to breed and leave offspring, which inherit the genes that provide resistance. After many generations of insects have been sprayed, the entire surviving population may be comprised of the DDT-resistant variety, and some new form of insect control will have to be applied. Such changes are not permanent, however, because the resistant mosquitoes are more fit than the others only for as long as the insecticide is applied. When the environment becomes free of the toxic chemical, the insect population tends to revert to what it was before. A similar effect explains how disease-causing bacteria become resistant to antibiotic drugs like penicillin, which then are no longer as effective in controlling the disease as they formerly were. Almost all illustrations of “evolution in action” in textbooks or museum exhibits are similar to these examples. They involve no increase in complexity or appearance of new body parts or even permanent change of any kind. Small-scale, reversible population variations of this sort are usually called microevolution, although “adaptive variation” would be a better term. It is misleading to describe adaptive variation as “evolution,” because the latter term commonly refers also to macroevolution. Macroevolution is the grand story of how life supposedly evolved by purely natural processes from very simple beginnings to become complex, multicelled plants and animals, and eventually human beings, without God’s participation being needed at any step along the way. Charles Darwin assumed that macroevolution was merely microevolution extended over very long periods of time. Biology textbooks, museums, and television programs still teach people to make the same assumption, so that examples of microevolution are used as proof that complex animals and even human beings evolved from simpler organisms by a similar process. The primary flaw in the story of macroevolution is that all plants and animals are packed with information—the complicated instructions that coordinate the many processes enabling the body and brain to function. Even Richard Dawkins, the most famous living advocate of Darwin’s theory, admits that every cell in a human body contains more information than all the volumes of an encyclopedia, and every one of us has trillions of cells in his or her body, which have to work together in marvelous harmony. The greatest weakness of the theory of evolution is that science has not discovered a process that can create all the necessary information, which can be likened to the software that directs a computer. Without such a demonstrated creative process, evolution is merely a story, because [b]its supposed mechanism can neither be duplicated in a laboratory nor observed in nature.[/b] It is true that there are patterns of similarity among living creatures. For example, humans, apes, mice, worms, and even plants have many similar genes. The important question is not whether there are similarities among all living things but whether those similarities came about through a natural process akin to the observable examples of adaptive variation that we find in textbooks and museum exhibits. One mistake Christians often make in debating evolution is to take on too many issues at once, rather than starting with the most important problem and solving it first. For example, evolution requires a time scale of many millions of years, while many people understand the Bible to allow for an earth history of only a few thousand years. The evolutionary time scale is debatable, but debating it involves several complex scientific disciplines and distracts attention from the most important defect of the theory of evolution. The only mechanism the evolutionists have is a combination of random variation and natural selection, illustrated by the survival of the insects that happened to be resistant to an insecticide. [b]This Darwinistic mechanism has never been shown to be capable of creating new genetic information[/b] or new complex body parts such as wings, eyes, or brains. Without a mechanism that can be demonstrated to be capable of the necessary creation, the theory of evolution is just a fantasy with no real scientific basis. The Bible teaches, “In the beginning God created” and “In the beginning was the Word.” A simple way of explaining this basic principle is to say that a divine intelligence existed before anything else and that intelligence was responsible for the origin of life and for the existence of all living things, including human beings. [b]No matter how much time we might allow for evolution to do the necessary creating, the evidence shows that the process would never get started[/b] because all evolution can do is to further minor variations in organisms that are already living, without any change in their basic classification. When the Bible says, “In the beginning God created” (Gen 1:1), it is presenting us with a fact, which we need to know to understand everything else, including what we were created for and how God wants us to live. The Bible also says that God created men and women in His own image. That, too, is a fact. If it were not true, there would be no science, because [b]no theory of evolution can demonstrate how intelligence came into existence[/b], including the intelligence of misguided people who misuse science to try to explain creation without allowing any role to God. “In the beginning was the Word.” The Bible says it and, properly understood, the evidence of science confirms it. Anyone who says otherwise is peddling fantasy, not fact.

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  • The bible also says, just to name a few, that bats are a type of bird, insects have 4 legs, that there is a solid roof over the planet called the firmament and that stars are tiny objects in the sky that can fall down onto earth. Don't try use anything in the bible as fact in an argument, it just makes you look completely stupid to anyone who has read it and doesn't blindly believe everything in it.

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    • Agreed with most of the OP

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      • Theistic belief, its the real truth.

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        • What a load of raging bull! Just get over it, there is no god and when you die you rot in the ground! I feel like im the only sane person in a world full of extreme denial

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          • Saying that small scale changes are unimportant and don't cumulatively add up to large scale changes (such as limbs and eyes and brains) is akin to saying that an avalanche is harmless because it's only made up of snowflakes.

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            • Edited by greedo_10: 6/10/2015 7:57:18 AM
              'The Bible is presenting us with a fact' Don't believe everything you read darling

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              • Edited by ClusiveC: 6/10/2015 2:08:40 AM
                They used to feed us all types of bullshit in school - for example, Christopher Columbus. I still remember the saying we used to remember it, "In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue." What's bad about this is that school teaches a lot of stuff as fact that actually isn't, and you don't realize it until, at the earliest, about an upper-classman in high school. To make that even worse is that pretty much everyone knows about BS that they teach, but it still goes on. Smh. In 1oth grade, my biology professor taught us 2 ideas of where life came from: Creation and evolution. On creation, we spent maybe a day and a half on notes about what creation is and how it could be done and shit. And for about two-3 weeks, we talked about Evolution - we learned the biggest names in the theory, several different 'stages' of it, etc. And we tested on it. And it's a theory!

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                • AMEN brother!

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                  • It has been observed and tested, in such ways as you said it happens. One example were moths that changed colors to deal with smoke and ash in the environment

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                    • Edited by Commando love: 6/11/2015 2:09:53 AM
                      [i]Woo.. I'm ahead, I'm a man I'm the first mammal to wear pants, yeah I'm at peace with my lust I can kill 'cause in God I trust, yeah It's evolution, baby I'm at peace, I'm the man Buying stocks on the day of the crash On the loose, I'm a truck All the rolling hills, I'll flatten 'em out, yeah It's herd behavior, uh huh It's evolution, baby Admire me, admire my home Admire my son, he's my clone Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah This land is mine, this land is free I'll do what I want but irresponsibly It's evolution, baby I'm a thief, I'm a liar There's my church, I sing in the choir: (hallelujah, hallelujah) Admire me, admire my home Admire my son, admire my clones 'Cause we know, appetite for a nightly feast Those ignorant Indians got nothin' on me Nothin', why? Because... it's evolution, baby! I am ahead, I am advanced I am the first mammal to make plans, yeah I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher 2010, watch it go to fire It's evolution, baby Do the evolution![/i]

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                      • Don't mind me. I just came here to watch Britton and SSG ACM go at it. [spoiler]*Grabs popcorn*[/spoiler]

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                        • Evolution is not cyclical. It is evidenced by nature and laboratory experiments. Facts don't require belief. Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception. - Carl Sagan

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                        • Evolution is often called a "mechanism" of nature (that's how I was told in school anyways). So let's compare it to a mechanical watch. Just for fun. Take a mechanical watch apart, put all its pieces in a box, and shake that box. No matter how long or how many tines you shake that box, the watch will never come out put together and functioning properly. Is there a chance? Sure, as the basic principle of probability is that there is [i]always[/i] a chance. But the chances are so small that its basically impossible. Same with evolution. Is there a chance? Sure. There's also technically a chance I'll grow wings in 10 seconds and fly away. But the chances are so small that its basically impossible. Just a thought.

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                          • I just go by what spore taught me

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                            • I can't believe you're still on this. Your denial is incredibly pathetic. Have fun clinging to your ignorance.

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                              • Too bad you lack critical thinking. Using a book wrote by people who thought the earth was flat and that kangaroos hopped from Australia to the middle east and left no evidence of their bones as proof a god exists is just laughable. Yea sorry not fooling anyone with the ability to think thanks anyway. There are over 2500 other gods and many had crazy books before yours so why is yours right? There is a passage in the bible that says any true christian can drink poison and be fine for there faith in god will save them so do us all a favor before you post ignorant stuff like this and post the video of you surviving some cyanide then you might actually convince someone of something lol

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                                • Youre making up fake facts cause youre just dumb and brainwashed like 99% of christians.

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                                  • Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.

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                                    • Not going to waste time arguing with a douche bag...

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                                      • Thanks for sharing this man. I've never heard of that dude - biggest name I know in that area is William L. Craig (I think that's his name)

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                                        • [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/121194796/0/0]Evolution explained[/url] Please mark this as the answer.

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                                          • "there is no proces to create new Information" Google Mutations......

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                                          • ....but I'm just saying because I enjoy creating bait.

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                                            • Someone has done their homework, unlike most kids on bnet.

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                                              • [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]

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                                                • [quote] The greatest weakness of the theory of evolution is that science has not discovered a process that can create all the necessary information, which can be likened to the software that directs a computer. Without such a demonstrated creative process, evolution is merely a story, because its supposed mechanism can neither be duplicated in a laboratory nor observed in nature. [/quote] First of all this sounds like the age old "the eyeball is too complicated to have been produced by accident" fallacy. Secondly, this particular paragraph merely highlights natural human ignorance and limitations: it has never been produced in a lab because the process takes too long and accelerating evolution is the stuff of science fiction. It can't be observed by nature because as a species we have only been scientifically observant for the past few hundred years. Not enough time has passed for us to be able to see any of these things occur. To claim that this somehow invalidates evolution is also a fallacy, as it assumes human experience is the full measure of the universe, which is arrogant and foolish. Microevolution is acceptable to you because it takes place on human timescales, but macro isn't because it is beyond your comprehension of time; it takes place on geological time scales. We can track DNA and see how it has shaped over time by looking at DNA similarities (such as us having 98% in common with chimps), we can see in the fossil record a theme of progress over the eons in skeletal structure. There are gaps in what we know, but there is evidence there; science doesn't pretend to have all the answers. Understanding the universe is not limited the empirical senses. Chief among the animal kingdom we have the brains to extrapolate based on data, even limited data, sound conclusions. Limiting our perception to merely the 5 senses is to limit our capacity to be no more than base animals. Your God, should he be real, gave us the ability to think critically; merely saying "we haven't actually seen it with our senses" is to ignore that great gift. [quote] This Darwinism mechanism has never been shown to be capable of creating new genetic information [/quote] Google mutations, a driving force in evolution over time.

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