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Edited by bilid: 3/24/2015 8:14:12 PM
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PvP Hand Cannon Abuse. IMPORTANT!!! MUST READ!!! DeeJ!!!!!!

i have only recently noticed this during all my time doing PVP. And of course it's in Iron Banner. From what i have seen and my team mates is that now since the 20 auto rifle head shots was changed to primary now more hand cannons and other weapons are used. this isn't the bad thing, it's actually good, adds more variety. But when you combine this variety with hard core sweaters that have modded controllers to gain a large advantage with trigger stops. it is just unreal. as most hand cannons don't have a capped Rate Of Fire, like thorn it is incredibly fast to just 3/2 shot someone in less than 2 seconds. so whats the point of having a fire rate on a hand cannon when they all can be fire the same rate as TLW. so add a Rate of Fire cap on hand cannons to solve this problem. also hand cannons like thorn do need a small nerf, nothing major just that the burn damage reduced from lets say 7 to 5, this reduces the chance of a 2 shot, then TLW needs a serious rain check, the previous, i mean latest range nerf was on such a small scale that it bearly effected the gun, so it needs a range nerf. other than that all the weapons in PvP are good for me, apart from snipers and the odd few pulse rifles like red death and i shouldn't say this but my bae 3 little words. also add a cool down on final round as it is abused far too much on snipers and shotguns like efrideets spear and almost all shotguns that have it. i hope someone in bungie reads this as this is an important issue, i could care less about the nerfs but more about the modded controller problem as it ruined my experience and my friends in IB this week and will continue to ruin it in the next IB, probably won't play it see how much of a pain it was because of that. Edit: To sum it up, not a nerf, a fix. stuff like this should have been fixed before release so problems like this don't happen. Also i own all NON PS EXCLUSIVE EXOTICS. meaning i have tried out all and i am mainly a thorn user, majority of my kills are with thorn and a few with other HC like timurs lash and TLW. i know how the gun works and how fast i can personally fire it. i have a good trigger finger and takes me a good 5-6 seconds to empty the mag of thorn. unless people are USAIN BOLT with there fingers and can empty a mag in under 3 seconds, if there not it is a high chance of a modded controller abusing bungie not adding a fire rate cap. HOW i KNOW? i messaged them and they said, "i have rapid fire triggers", "i have modded triggers", " i got a modded controller", ETC.

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  • Thorn and The Last Word all have their fire rate capped at 32. They are totally outclassed by Pulse Rifles in the right hands. Red Death can kill in 4 headshots and the fire rate is much faster so I think you just need to practice more. The people who can spam Hand Cannons and land each shot have probably been using them since Day 1 so they're going to be extremely good with them.

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  • Thorn isn't my issue anymore, I've learn through through experience that after I've been shot by one, your best strategy is to honestly run and then do your best to get a jump on them. My current issue is The Last Word. It decimates people from across The Anomaly (from B to the platform across from it (which is pretty far away considering people use snipers on it). It currently doesn't give shit about what strategy your have. Close range? Done-zo. Long range. Done-zo. Run away? Done-zo. If you get killed while using it it's because you missed shots. And for all the people who bitch and say it's "fair" or "balanced". How about you give me the Last Word and I give you a regular hand cannon. Let's see who wins and then say it was fair.

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    • Lol do you know how hard it is to use a hand cannon in the crucible ?

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      • Uhhhh thorn and TLW have the same fire, compare them you'll see. Only difference is you can just keep holding it down to fire continously.

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        • "You can't please everyone at the same time. If you try, you will fail." Don't like it, dont do it. (My KD says I dont like it too.)

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        • My god you suck.

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        • God cry more noob

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        • Edited by Devious Belly Button: 3/24/2015 8:22:41 PM
          [quote]also hand cannons like thorn do need a small [b]nerf[/b], nothing major just that the burn damage reduced from lets say 7 to 5, this reduces the chance of a 2 shot, then TLW needs a serious rain check, the previous, i mean latest range nerf was on such a small scale that it bearly effected the gun, so it needs a range [b]nerf[/b]. Edit: [b]To sum it up, not a nerf, a fix. stuff like this should have been fixed before release so problems like this don't happen.[/b] Also i own all NON PS EXCLUSIVE EXOTICS. meaning i have tried out all and i am mainly a thorn user, majority of my kills are with thorn and a few with other HC like timurs lash and TLW. i know how the gun works and how fast i can personally fire it. i have a good trigger finger and takes me a good 5-6 seconds to empty the mag of thorn. unless people are USAIN BOLT with there fingers and can empty a mag in under 3 seconds, if there not it is a high chance of a modded controller abusing bungie not adding a fire rate cap. HOW i KNOW? i messaged them and they said, "i have rapid fire triggers", "i have modded triggers", " i got a modded controller", ETC.[/quote] Just cuz some modders are destroying you doesn't mean the gun is overpowered. They are modding, even tho its just trigger stops, any semi auto gun will become OP. semi auto rewards people with fast trigger fingers. You are just pathetic. Btw: Usain bolt runs fast, nothing proves he has fast trigger fingers. #Git Gud Scrub Edit1: please add #satire to this before people take it seriously

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          • I dont think hand cannons need a nerf because if your a good PVP player you should exploit their weaknesses... i use the bad juju or an auto rifle because their rate of fire is faster/higher than a hand cannons and plus i give credit to hand cannon users who wreck in the crucible because they arent the easiest thing to kill with and require skill.... in my opinion

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            • I'd be using Timur's lash even if the auto rifles were as they were before the nerf. Was always the preference.

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            • Hand Cannon fire rates are capped. please do some research and try the weapons out before you say things like that. The fastest firing hand cannon is the last word.

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              • I don't think you did your research at all. If anything the last word got its range hit harder than most handcannons

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                • Dude... you can't fire a hand cannon as fast as you can lol

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                • Bungie needs to nerf all the crybabies on this forum.

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                  • Trigger stops? I'm -blam!-ing crying right now!!!

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                  • No more nerfs! It's not the way to fix anything. People talk about guns that requires no "skill or are OP" When the real issue is with that actual player. I play the same game and never have any issues with dying. I lost cause I made a mistake and the other person capitalized. Instead of crying about nerfs and power's, how about you figure out a way to counter. I did it and still do it. You're not going to win them all. Just play the game, or move on.

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                    • Bruh I can drop someone in 2 sec with my thorn without a modified controller its called a steady finger and a fast trigger finger. And I need to land about 3 headshots. BTW you have no proof of whether or not they were using a modified controller either your not aitti g there watching them.

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                    • How about we don't touch thorn at all.

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                    • You say not a nerf yet u have the hashtag HCNerf. Moron.

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                      • Modded? I use hawkmoon last word and thorn? I get headshots not of the time so is that considered modded controller?

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                        • Fix means nerf in bungie vocab

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                        • Muted for using the word bae. Bae means poop in Danish and is the perfect description for this thread.

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                        • I bet you play Xbox. Nah, just saying...

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                          • And we thought it was PvP players wanting nerfs. #provenwrong

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