[quote]I understand evolution very well.. I just don't believe in it.. Micro evolution definitely happens, survival of fittest yadda yadda, legit. But macro evolution takes quite a bit of faith, faith placed in randomness hiding behind nothing but time, to make the scientists feel good.[/quote] Micro and macro evolution are the same thing. If you accept one and reject the other, you don't understand evolution. The only qualifier is time. It's like saying this paint stroke and that paint stroke aren't the same because the latter's length is longer... The same process occurs. And evolution is not random. Another misconception that so many ppl have. That's why I believe you don't understand it. [quote]I understand what your saying about distinguishing between natural and designed, but your flaw is in assuming we came from a puddle and therefore we are natural. Besides, if we did come from nothing then aren't we all natural? We are just the universe looking back on itself in your mind so anything we create is natural? [/quote] I don't assume we came from a puddle. I never said we came from nothing and I'm not understanding you. We are not the universe looking back on itself, in my mind and anything we create would not be considered natural Lol. Did you mean to reply to someone else? Where did you pull these assertions from? What did I say to make you think, that I think that stuff? [quote]All I'm asking you to do is compare what we design to what is "natural" in your mind and find Design in the "natural" [/quote] You can't find design in nature. (That's like saying, look at the design of this house after a hurricane passed through it) Otherwise there would be no nature. It would just be design. You can however apply what you find in nature to designs. I think this is just semantics. I think you have a different definition for evolution, nature and design. In my mind natural is things that occur in nature without intent. Design are the things we make out of nature. Nature is a natural occurrence. A process unto itself. Design is not a natural occurrence. It is not a process unto itself. [quote]Maybe where we are unclear is I believe God created all things. And his design is prevalent everywhere.. In a blade of grass using photosynthesis, in a single cell of my body more complex then a city, in the balance of the universe and our solar system.. I see design, you see [b]nature[/b][/quote] Fixed.