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Vault of Glass 6th/7th Chest Speculation and Information
*First Speculation*
Lately my group and I have been venturing back into the Vault of Glass to attempt a discovery of a new chest. Not finding anything a long time ago, we were discouraged by the fact that we believed there wasn't anything left to be found. Then, this comment was found on Youtube... My friend sent this to me but he is unsure of the name of the video and we are now unable to find the comment. Either way, the quote that this person said, is from a Bungie employee. My friend claims to have heard of this "LRI" guy and said that he MIGHT be one of the raid designers. He does assure to me that he does work for Bungie, though. The quote/picture proof is in the link below.
http://imgur.com/u0s5vdL
On to the speculation. The quote makes mention of the chest to have "lied between future and past, but not present." As we know, the only time in between the future and past IS present. This must mean it represents something physical. We have considered this to meaning something about the portal in between the jump puzzle and atheon's room, but then my attention turned elsewhere... Whilst activating the gates to summon Atheon, I remembered how the "past" portal is on the left and the "future" portal is on the right. Then I looked in between them... That little island used for killing Atheon many times over. It COULD be considered a large pedestal. It's the only thing in between "past and future." Could this possibly be where the chest could spawn? Maybe both portals must be kept open for the entirety of the boss fight? Could it have been under our noses (literally) all along? Unfortunately after killing Atheon, we were killing instantly due to being lost in time, even though he died. We were unable to look around by even going back into the portals to look around again.
It gets better. We automatically assume that Atheon must be defeated to retrieve this chest because the quote also says "Time is broken, but it can be fixed, for people have mended it before and left without questioning, what changed." We assumed that killing Atheon will "fix" time which is why we believe something happens on that middle island block AFTER the fight.
Something that really assures this for me is that it says "for people have mended it before and left without questioning, what changed." This could mean that MANY of us have completed the VOG, but didn't look around enough to see what changed. This quote almost seems to assure that something happens AFTER the fight.
What do you guys think? Do you have hope for there to be a chest here? What are your thoughts? What else have you heard?
Here's to hoping that some people still care for the Vault of Glass. Please share what you think and spread the post so that others can see our ideas. I look forward to reading any responses!
Edit1: I also realize that the commenter says that the quote is about that "secret cave" in the jump puzzle area. The employee DID NOT say anything about that cave. He only made mention of the past and future deal. Though if it is, then maybe there must be a way to return there AFTER the atheon kill?
Edit2: Made it to Trending! :D Hearing some great ideas and suggestions
Edit3: If you want to explore sometime, I play on the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One.
*Second Speculation*
Most of us have seen that tiny hole in the side of the jump puzzle room right? If you have then I'm sure we have all thought the same thing... chest? Well I am not sure whether this was Photoshopped or is legit but my friend found a picture of a chest sitting on a little rock. Could this rock be the "pedestal" mentioned in the quote? Maybe something must be triggered to summon the chest here? Maybe there are actually two missing chests? Picture link below.
http://imgur.com/iJMC0jt
Copied From My Raid Friend: http://lzygmrs.com/destiny/vault-of-glass-includes-sixth-secret-chest/6857/
"Proof of the 6th/7th chest during the Dads of Destiny tag along live stream last week. It was confirmed by Lead World Artist: Rob Adams, and Senior Raid Designer: Gavin Irby"
And yes I know he said he misheard the question, but it was pretty straight forward. It could be just as easy that Bungie didn't actually want us to know 100%. Plus, he didn't say there wasn't anything else. There is still hope. If that Christmas post is true, then that might be some kind of proof.
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Or can the thing holding the 5th chest be considered a pedestal?
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1 ReplyHey I did Crota with you. I think
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2 RepliesI just found this on the inter webs. Seems plausible if anyone is willing to try it. The best thing I have seen yet. https://www.bungie.net/en-us/Forum/Post/78290059/0/0
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1 ReplyI think the picture in your second speculation is the spiritbloom chest. There is another team that was searching for another chest but i can't find the topic animore. They told about all things they've tryed. Things like taking the relic back to the maze. Trying to finish it in certain ways. It was clearly explained. I shall continue the search.
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2 RepliesI have a few theory's, one of which is this; Remember when we were all pushing him off with the grenades... They added "bumpers" Like strike bowling where are the bumpers? They are on the side of the lane right?... But there is no bumpers at the back... What happened when we pushed off Templar... What happened when they patched it? They stopped us from pushing Templar at all, but they didn't take the ability to push ATHEON using solar grenades... I think that we could push ATHEON off the back of the temple room between the glass pillars referring to ATHEON as the needle that threads through time... Time can be relative to the VOG itself and we are not in the VOG but in "time" meaning that wherever ATHEON is he is in time... He controls time.... Ok theory 2: I have witnessed the portals opening after we defeat ATHEON with no one stood on them. I have also witnessed someone walk into "mars, or past" portal get marked as you do when you pass through. Next thing was another fire team member plus myself walked into Mars with no marking. We were not marked.... Possibly having a specific portal open at the end of the fight closes it... However they reopen. It could be the last portal in which you exit is the one to go through, or the opposite. E.g leave mars - kill ATHEON - mars stays open, or mars is not able to then mark you after he dies, or vice versa. I have never been with a group looking for secrets but I would love too....
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I'm 32, Titan, 32 Hunter (main), 30 Warlock. Just add "Kronic Mirage" on Xbox One and I'll do VoG some time tonight or Wednesday.. I'll be whatever character we need to help with these theories.
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4 RepliesEdited by ReconSpecter: 2/23/2015 12:26:36 PMHere is a couple more ideas, Looking at the grimoire cards for Atheon, The Ageis, and The Mythoclast, The Atheon card states, "Just as Atheon side steps PAST and FUTURE"...is this referring to when we are fighting him and he is dancing in the middle between the gates? The Mythoclast card states, "perhaps it will reveal itself to you in TIME", referring to its purpose or other function. So during Time's Vengance maybe we can activate this function. The Aegis Relic card states, "I have made a wound in the Vault. I have pierced it and let in the light, bathe in and be cleansed, look to it and understand". Is the wound in the vault the relic, or maybe the tear were light comes in behind Atheon in the Vault? Or maybe both. Are we to look apon the relic for a key while it shields us? With these things in mind, i was thinking this.. While Time's Vengeance is active, could we all move to the back of the Vault, and while getting bathed, or protected by the Ageis, look through the Mythoclast and move through or out the back of the Vault. A fireteam would have enough time to reach the back before Atheon attacks if oracles were dropped fast enough. Or Once Time's Vengeance is active we "look to it" the Ageis, through the Mythoclast scope, perhaps needs both perfectly lined up on the axis(up, down, left and right and rotation) and it activates something in the mythoclast. Maybe shoot those 6 lights in the vault room that look like the mythos scope. But non the less somehow the relic activates the mythos hidden ability. Also the Ageis card says if you abandon your objective let the vault consume you, which may mean we shouldnt kill Atheon before doing something to get the chest, or just leaving Atheon completely in exchange for this chest, or a loop back to an earlier part in the vault which would be a casual loop that is mentioned several times, and having to work back to Atheon again.
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I found a false wall in the jump puzzle but can't figure out a way around it.
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7 RepliesThere is still secrets to discover. This is the reason why Destiny dad's opted for crota's end instead of Vog. This way they wouldn't have to show their hand.
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Anyone ever notice there is A brief time you get time vengeance after Atheon is defeated. I always wondered why and shot everything at that point but No luck. Is this the time where suppose to do something?
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There's nothing, stop misleading the community with false hopes.
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16 RepliesEdited by ted2282: 2/22/2015 11:05:17 PMI am from l 7Halo7 l's expedition group through the vault of glass this is my theory: it says the chest existed on a pedestal at ONE POINT in between the future and the past but not in the present. (this could mean, like halo said, that this "place" represents something physical) the triangles of glass and the middle floating rock in the raid are right in the middle of the past and the future time gates but if you beat the raid then time stops. so obviously Atheons room wouldn't be in the present when the raid is complete. so if you raise the time gates after the raid is over, a few things may happen 1) unbearable cutscene 2) chest forms on the pedestal 3) vault door reopens any people who find answers to this please tag me in them. I'd be very interested to read this. thanks everyone! -ted2282
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1 ReplyHas old mate been killed without times vengeance before? Not even sure if it's possible.
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I actually remember that picture of the chest when it was first posted. The guy that posted it said he photoshopped the chest in there
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I've always been mesmerized by the prismatic effect of the lights shining through the glass A-shaped structure over where Atheon spawns. It reminds me of the Indiana Jones movie where Jones has to wait for a certain time of day, for the sun to shine through a little hole and through a crystal to illuminate a map in just the right way to see what he's looking for. Has anyone ever gotten to the top of that structure? Maybe looked down to the middle platform through some scope of one of the raid weapons after killing Atheon, or during the fight when he spawns and the prism affect is in full swing? The light moves exactly like a rising/setting sun. Of course, I'm just using my imagination to grasp at straws, but you never know. Lol
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4 RepliesI've had a thought. What if you take two Warlocks into the Atheon battle. One dies in Mars and the other dies in Venus. Then, when the other 4 raiders take down Atheon, the Warlocks self-res. You'll then have guardians in the past, present and future after time has been 'fixed'. Maybe then a chest will spawn? What do you guys think? Has anyone tried that already?
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1 ReplyHas anyone tried going g back in the time ports with the relic once all the gatekeepers are killed. So when everyone is fighting to keep sacrifices away at the center conflux sending people through the time ports to see what's inside there. Just a thought
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6 RepliesWhy don't we get as many people as we can -to go to vog spire on their own, at a certain time and see if a team that's not a fire team can raise the spire? I know we'll be on different servers so the more the better to get as many people as we can?
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7 RepliesGood speculation. But I believe That most of us are over thinking it, and we are being led on. They said "no one person has enjoyed all the vog has to offer" or something along that line. Wat if that just means that there will be upgraded gears and guns when the dlc comes out. So the vog won't be obsolete. Just a thought.
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3 RepliesUp next on destiny delusions.... This is what happens when devs do a shitty job telling the actual story/lore and you have destiny fan boys looking for anything interesting to do in the pve section of this game. Take a break until house of wolves man. It's time if you're writing paragraphs upon paragraphs of thesis about why you feel there is more content "hidden" in destiny. The harsh reality is... Wait for it... this is it!
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This is an add on to my earlier post: On the grimoire cards of the Templar and Gorgons, the Templar says that "It's the gate to go further into the vault...The oracles depict a picture of the future"<-- not exact words but I'm close, and the Gorgons say "The Gorgons gaze upon the Guardians make it difficult to depicted reality from unreality."<-- not exact words but close. Templar= past while the oracles forsee the future; Gorgon= present whilst you can't tell reality( which in the quote it says it's in between past and future but not in the present) and atheon=future.
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4 RepliesSome good theories here. I think it has something to do with the jumping puzzle, as there are lots of hidden bits around there. heres a thought though, has anyone ever left the vault after killing atheon and out the way they came? Theres that dead portal that you can get to if you jump it right with the platforms. I wonder of you go back after killing atheon if it opens...
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7 RepliesWho wants to jump on XboxOne and test a lot of theories with me?! I'll be on in 4 hours to search and test some stuff out. Gt is Vainglorious89.
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I found a small cave that looks like something is suppose to be in there at the jumping puzzle yesterday. I've never seen it in any of the videos so maybe that has something to do with it.
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8 RepliesNo one even needs ascendant shards lmao moron
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8 RepliesIt's got to be in Gorgons Layer! People are mostly believe that it's at Atheon and the portals blah blah but if you think about it, the gorgon layer is in between Templar and atheon. Templar is past and atheon is future and gorgon is present. You don't get a reward during gorgon so it HAS to be there. When you get spotted by a Gorgon they technically erase you from time. So if gorgon layer isn't supposed to even BE IN TIME like the quote says " In between future and past but not in the present" or something like that. That's my theory.
