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Edited by AnonPig: 6/1/2015 2:39:29 PM
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Everything to know about The Traveler

Welcome back! Please let me direct you, as I always do, to [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Detail/769615]The Collective of Knowledge[/url] [b]must be opened in browser[/b] This topic is slightly outdated. I will be revising and updating it to answer more questions and reveal more truths, until then search AnonPig for all my newer more up to date posts or just go here: [url=https://www.bungie.net/ru/Forum/Post/115658936/0/0]AnonPig’s Theories Archived[/url] [b]This is everything we know about the traveler from in-game[/b] The Traveler was discovered on Mars The Traveler brought us into the golden age The Traveler terraformed the planets in our system, including gas giants The Traveler was chased by the Darkness The Traveler did [i[something[/i] to banish the darkness before it came into the range of the four inner planets The act which the traveler performed weakened it so much that it went into a coma The traveler gave us the ghosts to find guardians to protect humanity since it no longer could. [b]if there is anything more that anyone thinks important, please comment below Now let's tackle the grimoire cards. for convenience i will also be adding anything found about the ghosts in here as well[/b] Guardians states that the ghost will only select someone from the dead. [i]This leads to the theory that we are actually Dr. Shim from the ishtar collective. [b]I however don't think this is completely accurate, maybe our ghost is...[/b][/i] The traveler brought on an entirely new race to our planet. The Ahamkara, these dragon like beasts were hunted into extinction because their bones were used to draw on for power. There are currently many in-game exotic armor pieces that use the remnant bones. [i]I believe, because of the Vex and their travels, the Ahamkara are back. They can be seen on Venus if you scope towards the sky[/i] Ghost Fragment Human 1-4 TL;DR: Jacob Hardy, pilot of the Ares One, recounts the events leading up to discovering the Traveler on Mars. The humans noticed it there and sent an expedition out to discover what it was. As he goes, he seems to feel the presence of the Traveler and claims[quote]But i hold to my belief: there's something beautiful out there. It's just up to us to reach it[/quote]He jests about his slip of the tongue upon touching down on Mars. The walk from the Ares One to the traveler was recorded and is actually shown in the opening credits.[quote]It turned out well. Look at me. Look at us! You're talking to a ninety-year-old man. A ninety-year-old who's never been sharper. I'm miles ahead of every cognitive benchmark. What's happened to me is good. What's happened to all of us is good. When we crested that rise and made visual contact with the artifact I don't think any one of us dared dream that it would end this well. We went to Mars at the cutting edge of human civilization. And it wasn't our weapons that won the day. It was our ship. Our training. Our camaraderie. Our belief that if we just reached out to the universe, not to grasp for profit or security but with an open hand, we would be elevated. We were right. That makes me so happy. To this day.[/quote] As they approached the traveler they noticed oxygen in the atmosphere, warm water, and the beginnings of life. 50 years later he is telling the reporter how he's now involved in a project to study the travelers terraforming. The Exo card reveals that before the darkness came, and probably long before, there was a great war. The exo race was created to fight them off, and then were shut down. Only when the darkness returned did they get rebooted in the travelers light. An unsettling thought is the Ghosts. They are sent out to find their one and only guardian. I remember reading somewhere some times they don't actually find them. And based on cards like Ghost Fragment Titan, when their guardian dies, there's a chance they go insane. I say a chance because of Ghost Fragment Hunter, where the hunter sends their ghost back to the Tower to tell them Draksis was there. If the Traveler is in a coma, and a ghost only has one, AND if their guardian dies they lose their mind? How long until they aren't here to help us anymore? The traveler comes from the void that surrounds all things. This void is not death, or the afterlife, as others may believe. I think its what religion would refer to as limbo though. It is nothingness. I believe the Darkness came from here as well. [i]Could the Traveler have made the Vex? and then from the void come out together, only to be followed by the darkness?[/i] Ghost Fragment The Traveler TL;DR: Honestly, this is more encrypted than the -blam!-ing bible. I'd love other input here, but from what i gather: The traveler is great, and bestows upon you great powers. The time has come to fight your enemy. The enemy that you were destined to fight. But is it your destiny? Or are you being pushed into anothers destiny? You will fight. And you are sure. You will lose. You realize now is that everything leading up to this point was not meant for you. You were full of pride, and it is your downfall. In the previously stated Exo Stranger fragment, i believe it is her standing where she stands at different points in time, and where she will stand where she will one day die. In one reality, or point on the timeline, the traveler is shattering. The legend of the black garden card worries me a little. I hope it implies that the traveler is pushing us into its fight, but i feel that it implies the traveler is evil. [i]I do not subscribe to the theory that the traveler is evil, only extremely selfish and uncaring.[/i] In the darkness card it states the many theories of what the darkness is, since it never got past jupiter and everyone out there has been killed, no one knows exactly what it is. There is information about the traveler here though and i feel that in this game there's actually speculation. Read this card and you'll see several theories, but which is fact. For this i rely on xur, a survivor from jupiter. He claims the traveler has a dark mirror, and Ulan Tans thesis says the darkness is a necessary symmetry to the traveler in a cosmic balance. Now that's more the reason the darkness exists, but why are armies fighting us then? The vex seem to have been influenced by the darkness as well as the hive, there are cards suggesting the fallen have seen the darkness too, but the cabal they are running. I don't wish to get off on too much of a tangent so I'll get to the point. The traveler and the darkness have both traveled our universe touching upon different races. i do not think we are the first of the traveler. This leads into the Saint-14's position, that the armies that we fight were species rejected or discarded by the traveler. I'll get more into that in their own respective posts, and keep this more to the traveler. But to clarify, i only think the fallen were rejected, or more likely discarded. to have all arguments however, one believes that the traveler is actually the direct cause of the collapse. [i]I do not subscribe to this either[/i] The Ghost Fragment Dark Age:[quote]It turned out well. Look at me. Look at us! You're talking to a ninety-year-old man. A ninety-year-old who's never been sharper. I'm miles ahead of every cognitive benchmark. What's happened to me is good. What's happened to all of us is good. When we crested that rise and made visual contact with the artifact I don't think any one of us dared dream that it would end this well. We went to Mars at the cutting edge of human civilization. And it wasn't our weapons that won the day. It was our ship. Our training. Our camaraderie. Our belief that if we just reached out to the universe, not to grasp for profit or security but with an open hand, we would be elevated. We were right. That makes me so happy. To this day.[/quote]This is directly after the collapse depicting the rise of our second and third race. And that is all from the grimoire on the Traveler, if there is anything i have missed please let me know! This has been your friendly neighborhood AnonPig! Remember, all are welcome to join the Collective of Knowledge! [b]link at the top[/b] to discuss things more directly. [b] read mlongoria86's comment under my own. I COMMAND THEE![/b]

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  • Forgive me if I'm wrong on this Anon, but isn't it also believed that the Traveler spawned the Darkness unwillingly and that the Ghosts and the Vex were both keepers of the Black Garden until that Darkness was created. And then following its creation, it corrupted the Vex and they firsthand became the Armies of the Darkness. I'm also inclined to believe that the Black Garden, because you destroy the Black Heart in it, is a part of the Traveler herself. This is due to the fact that you are told that "Only then can the Traveler begin to heal." Everything in your post I think is 100% accurate, I'm just trying to see what you think of my little theory.

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    • After reading of all the quotes of xur The nine could be a part of the darkness? One of his quotes says there is a possibility that the nine is here to help

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      • Edited by NinjashooterX: 2/6/2015 5:03:12 PM
        I have a new idea for the Traveler maybe I am totally wrong but in my Opinion it all make sense. The Traveler is a dyson sphere. Thats why the darkness is following it all the time and he is the light around the darkness. According to Wikipedia A Dyson sphere is a hypothetical megastructure originally described by Freeman Dyson. Such a "sphere" would be a system of orbiting solar power satellites meant to completely encompass a star and capture most or all of its energy output. Dyson speculated that such structures would be the logical consequence of the long-term survival and escalating energy needs of a technological civilization, and proposed that searching for evidence of the existence of such structures might lead to the detection of advanced intelligent extraterrestrial life. *Spoiler* for some movie Reference So what if this Sphere destroy all the stars and planets on his long journey like Galactus in the Movie Fantastic Four Silver Surfer . And if you guys saw the movie Oblivion its pretty much close to our situation. What if Rasputin notice the traveler and saw the biggest threat in him and stopped him right before he can destroy our solarsystem? Maybe thats the reason why he is so small now. I think mankind was killed in the attack from the traveller. And his last act of evil is the creation for the ghosts. The first think we learn in this universe is to kill the Fallen since they are our enemy. But where is the prove for that? They just tell us grab a gun and fight. So i think we are got brainwashed from the start. No Guardian has any Peacefully task. Its all about destroy other races and threats for the traveller. He plays us like puppets. And we do everything in his will. Like he is our god. The ghost is some sort of Controllunit I think. So we don't have a free mind or will. I know lots of speculations but i really think Bungie will go this way. Maybe we can fight the traveller in a later game or can decide if we take the blue pill or the red pill The traveller is the biggest threat in this game and we are his soldiers with controllchips let me know what you guys think on this theory

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        • Edited by JibbsMcJive: 2/23/2015 8:57:30 AM
          Where on earth did you deduce that it terraformed gas giants? That would be impossible and pointless in any sci fi. They are clearly talking about the moon systems.

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            • What about the Fallen? "The Great Machine sends its ghouls to kill us." and something like "they are hoarding the great machine" It means the Giant White Ball That Does Nothing has visited them too. Or the Fallen are [i]very[/i] into machinery. (Variks constantly asks for my ghost or ship.) I believe the Traveler took control of the warminds, and used their weapons of mass destruction to cause the collapse. Nobody remembers it, and the Speaker just told them that "the traveller saved us lol."

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              • I've read a lot of your theories and I also have many of my own. This is about the traveler. Now correct me if I'm wrong... Something happens in the future. The future war cult knows about it and the exo stranger is directly involved with it. Now before I continue let me tell a little story. The fallen were among the first races to be visited by the traveler as well as they darkness. Although they are now scavengers in a strange world they were once a noble race of warriors. They the traveler arrived. The traveler gave them great power. They fought against the darkness but the darkness grew stronger until the light could no longer hold it back. Then something happened. The traveler fled. It left the fallen stranded and left to face the darkness alone. But the fallen followed... Which brings me to my point of the future and the traveler. In the beginning of the game when you speak to the speaker he tells you that the darkness is coming and this time we or more accurately the traveler will not be able to stop it. Therefore I believe that the traveler will once again flee (or try to) just like it did with the fallen. Light and dark are two sides of the same coin and I believe that the darkness and the traveler were once a single being separated long ago. The darkness just wants to be whole once more. Once the darkness gets close enough the traveler will try to flee and doing so he will create the vex(yes I believe that the vex are not actually created yet in the timeline in which we are playing the game.) And that's when the exo stranger comes in. In another theory you mentioned that Preadyth traveled to the future by means of the effects caused by Atheon in the vault of glass. And I'm on board with that theory and in addition I believe the exo stranger is Preadyth's ghost. I believe that the exo stranger is from a future where the traveler and the darkness have come together once again. And similar to how Kabr made aegis, using vex technology Preadyth transformed her ghost into the exo we know of today. I know I went off in another direction towards the end there but to summarize my theory about the traveler. I believe the traveler and the darkness where once one in the same. The traveler escaped somehow and has visited other races hoping for a warrior race worthy enough to hold the darkness back and when the darkness got to close the traveler fled in search for the next race. Ps. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that our character is actually dr. shim. The lab was created possibly during the golden age or just shortly after the collapse so I'm sure that the computer was not programmed to only welcome dr shim therefore it had to know bio-metrically who you were.

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                • Traveler is Cartman's Dawsons Creek Trapper Keeper…

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                • [quote]t traveler tis evil and -blam!-ed meh mum we should destroy ut in t future dlcs [/quote] There fixed it for ya

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                • Edited by bumbick: 6/5/2015 2:24:42 PM
                  Many have reason to believe that the ahamkara we're never hunted to extinction, and barely hunted at all. That belief comes from the speculation that the ahamkara posses some form of "mind control" because in the great hunt grimoire card, the last sentence read: [quote]Of that you can be assured, oh reader mine.[/quote] and all of the ahamkara gear ends with: [quote]oh bearer mine...[/quote] so many think that the ahamkara led many to believe that they were extinct, but took control of their leaders, so that they could survive.

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                • Edited by BigDaddyE47: 6/4/2015 7:09:53 PM
                  It's evil and we are all zombies blindly serving it's will

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                • It's round

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                • Variks said in a grimoire card the fallen had the traveler but called it the great machine.

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                  • Why do you carefully comb through the lore of the game? You have it, go kill some vex or guardians...

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                  • This could do with being updated to reflect the information found in the New grimoire cards. It talks about how the traveller (the great machine?) may have once belonged to the fallen until a great catastrophe (Whirlwind?) befell them...

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                    • What if the traveler represents scientific and mathematical advances (this is why all the species it touches all have huge advancements in tech while the darkness represents people that will teardown and destroy others to elevate itself Also what if the traveler isnt really a thing that does somthing it just represents somthing and with this I know somone will read this and say " well how did the traveler repel the darkness (or invading force) from the closest four planets and moons well I present tp you the placebo effect This happens when you think that somthing does somthing else but it really doesnt but the afore mentioned affect still happens. What I am saying is that the traveler doesn't do somthing yet the species thinks that it happens so they are the ones who really repel the darkness

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                    • There has already been leaked fanart of what the last level going to be , inside the traveler fighting guess who the speaker.

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                      • sorry i ran out of room. [b]Let's get some speculation in here![/b] The traveler came from the void. While in there it was hunted by the darkness. To defend itself, the Vex were created [i]I whole heartedly admit to pulling that out of my ass, its just if not from nothingness then from where could the Vex could come?[/i] The Vex gazed upon the Traveler and into the Void, they were not impressed. From their immense minds they created a gate that they used to come into the universe that we live. In its last ditch effort the Traveler flees after the Vex. It finds a race, the Fallen and raises them to glory as it does us much later on. The darkness followed. It came to the worlds of the Fallen as it does ours, but they did not fight. Scared and weak, the succeed to the darkness and the traveler flees again. The darkness is now weakened and retreats to a place outside time, The Black Garden. This is where the Sol Progeny find the darkness and begin its worship. The Vex have entered our universe at any random point in time, for the sake of convenience lets say the big bang. Now the Vex have gone all over the universe in their time creating the conflux system that they use for travel. Whether by luck or knowing i believe the avoided planets that life would naturally inhabit. So it was only a matter of time until they entered the black garden. The traveler failed, it didn't make an army that loved it. It only came in and gave them things, they became spoiled. Maybe the traveler even shared all of its secrets. This time it comes, but not directly. It gives, but not all. It defends, but not entirely. The traveler now sleeps. We fight this battle for it. Sacrifice ourselves for it. And really, why do we do this? Why are we fighting this war? Are we nothing but pawns to this sphere in the sky? Only time will tell.

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                        • Edited by Lethenza: 5/4/2015 3:54:16 PM
                          I'd like to join your group of knowledge seekers. Consider [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/107174434/0/0]my writings[/url].

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                        • Awsome post love the dedication and detail you put into this

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                          Good stuff as always

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                        • As always, another fantastic post! I love these Lore-Related posts! Keep up the incredible work!

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                        • As for the collective OK knowledge, do you guys raid or PvP? And if so on what system.

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                          • If only it was in the game

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                          • Summery It's a white sphere found on Mars.

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