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Libertarianism and Sexuality (Postmodernism)

Earlier today, I was merrily surfing the internet for philosophy related material and I stumbled upon a passage that I found particularly profound and striking. [quote]If one examines surrealism, one is faced with a choice: either accept dialectic libertarianism or conclude that the task of the artist is social comment, but only if postdialectic cultural theory is invalid; otherwise, we can assume that language is used to reinforce archaic perceptions of society. An abundance of semioticisms concerning the role of the participant as observer may be discovered. In a sense, the premise of predeconstructive theory suggests that truth is impossible. In the works of Stone, a predominant concept is the concept of dialectic language. Foucault uses the term ‘dialectic libertarianism’ to denote not discourse per se, but neodiscourse. It could be said that many deappropriations concerning precultural feminism exist. Sexuality is part of the rubicon of truth,” says Lacan; however, according to Hamburger[4] , it is not so much sexuality that is part of the rubicon of truth, but rather the futility, and subsequent economy, of sexuality. Marx uses the term ‘surrealism’ to denote the role of the reader as poet. Therefore, the primary theme of the works of Stone is the failure, and some would say the fatal flaw, of submodernist society.[/quote] What I found particularly compelling were the arguments in favor of interpreting the struggle for the propagation of libertarian values as, in part, a dialectical (in a Hegelian as opposed to a Marxist sense) struggle between sexuality (an attitudes correlated therewith such as sexism) and conservative/ascetic values (assuming the premise that dialectic libertarianism implies that sexual identity, somewhat paradoxically, has objective value) which is in turn a manifestation (albeit a significant one) of the constant usurpation and evolution of culture as result of its internal contradictions overcoming themselves (as interpolated into a precapitalist textual theory that includes sexuality as a totality). What do you guys think? Leave your thoughts and comments below.

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    *enters thread out of curiosity* ...Yeah, I don't belong here.

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    • Edited by Bolt: 8/8/2013 7:54:07 PM
      Remember kids: the more obtuse your language is (and the more you [i]reference[/i] ideas instead of discussing them) the longer you get to keep getting paid for being a worthless philosophy professor! (Most of) the pretentiousness edited out: [quote] What I found particularly compelling were the arguments in favor of interpreting the struggle for the propagation of libertarian values as, in part, a dialectical struggle between sexuality and conservative/ascetic values which is in turn a manifestation of the constant usurpation and evolution of culture as result of its internal contradictions overcoming themselves.[/quote] Further simplified: [quote] I thought the idea that the push we see for a libertarian society is actually an argument to establish the true place of sexuality in our society, and that this is just another example of us correcting our older ideas (such as that the roles given by sexuality are an absolute) was interesting.[/quote]

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      • So I heard you like dinosaurs Is your favourite... [spoiler][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU]the Thesaurus Rex?[/url][/spoiler]

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        • Started a new topic: RE: The Sec7s postmodern thread(6 Replies))

        • Edited by die wily: 8/12/2013 5:30:15 AM
          LOL

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          • booger sex

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              Rofl at the article using the biggest possible words they could find in their pocket thesaurus. In trying to sound knowledgable about the material, they alienate the typical reader with unnecessarily flowery language. While using "big words" may help a point flow faster, it can equally as well confuse the reader, defeating the purpose entirely.

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            • Headache inbound. It's summer, I shouldn't be learning

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            • Seriously, why the big words? I think you sound much more intelligent if you can express your ideas in shorter and simpler terms.

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            • Edited by Uncle Putin: 8/10/2013 4:51:19 AM
              The first sentence had too many big words. I quit.

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            • Edited by Verbatim: 8/9/2013 8:08:31 AM
              Bit too early in the morning for me to be wrapping my ahead around this... I'll be back later.

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              • Libertarians are delusional if they believe no regulation could ever work now. The risk of that is so insane, we would basically be a giant group study for dangerous drugs, chemicals and nuclear waste.

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              • This thread...

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              • Edited by The Great DanTej: 8/9/2013 8:25:52 AM
                2pretentious4me No seriously, what the hell are they even trying to say? they sound like a 12 year old who just discovered thesauruses and blogger.

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              • Edited by New Radical: 8/9/2013 8:53:07 PM
                In accordance with most contemporary psychoceramicists, I reject the Hegelian distinction between historicism and empiricism, preferring (perhaps somewhat ironically) a synthesis of the two based on the idea that Truth can be examined through a postdeconstructionalist lens when we assume the ideality of both the observer (Marx's poet) and the observed. However, feminism (interpreted in a neoreactionary sense) fails these criteria, as the ideality of such a radically diverse set of principles as have been displayed by feminism throughout time precludes the possibility of an idealistic interpretation. It has been argued, perhaps with some merit, that the neoreactionary view of feminism is far too broad to be useful (or even to hold any meaning, given it lumps the radically different gender dynamics Plato's [i]Republic[/i] in the same "feminist" boat as Audre Lorde's theory), and that therefore the systematic definition of feminism is valid, meaning, of course, ideality is met. I reject this notion on predeontological grounds, arguing that the core concepts of feminism are ill-defined and nebulous even when we exclude Classical ideas of feminism, meaning that the systematic definition forsakes the innumerable benefits of a neoreactionary interpretetation without accomplishing its purported goals. In short, feminism cannot be examined through a postdeconstructuralist lens, so we must choose either a historicist or empiricist interpretation of the philosophy. I think I am not too presumptive in saying that an empiricist approach would be fruitless, so we must therefore approach this problem through historicism, as regrettable as this might seem. Now, onto the tricky question: does feminism truly function as a antithesis in a Hegelian sense, or is it instead the result of other antitheses? My sympathies lie with the latter position, given that feminism was closely preceded by usurping cultural dynamics such as those described by Carberry et al. that challenged prevailing conservative ideals in such a way that the rise of deconstructionist aesthetic cultural pedagogies, and therefore feminism, were inevitable. Stone's work would seem to support this idea, as the failure of submodernist societal ideals has been closely tied with the decline of pataphysical advances - a critical driving force for any social movement as revolutionary as feminism. To take an excerpt from my Honors thesis: [quote]We therefore see that the rise of metaphysical and pataphysical innovations are, invariably, the driving force for social philosophies that challenge traditional kyriarchy. Indeed, when pressured by the prevailing zeitgeists of modern liberalism, postmodern conceptions of kyriarchal ideals reveal themselves to be on weak metaphysical grounds - a prime target for any movement aiming to capitalize on populist persuasions and metaphysical revolutions. I will not address the ethicality or intellectual integrity of such an approach here, but suffice it to say that the utilization of concepts like antinomy and clinamen to address social issues should be, at the very least, met with extreme skepticism by those desiring to maintain an cogent and integrated worldview [/quote]

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                • Hm, this is something to chew on. My gut reaction was that the thesis of your quote was somewhat logically inconsistent, but after more thought this position didn't hold much water; one need only contemplate the nature of this particular dialectic, and you'll see what I mean. Lacan, you've done it again.

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                • Libertarianism [b]sucks[/b]!

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                  • All I see right now is a contest on who has the most enhanced vocabulary.

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                    • Edited by jredbaron96: 8/8/2013 7:07:05 PM
                      Very intriguing. Though I would wager that the struggle between sexes, marxists lay in the fact that cats can't do math on Tuesdays.

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                    • What I gather, over time libertarianism will cease to exist do to the lack of propagation.

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                    • No -blam!-ing idea what the OP just said.

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                      • Actually, upon further inspection of the above text, I am now convinced that the emperor has on, in fact, no clothes.

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                      • Pseudo-intellectual -blam!-s! Rather than purple prose thou wear the form of logic in equal hue.

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                        • Edited by Baph: 8/8/2013 4:56:01 AM
                          I do wonder how one would go about isolating the fundamental principle of self-loathing at the very core of libertarian values that drives the dialectic conflict with the postgender feminist ideal. I would venture that it would be socioconstructive methodology by which we would approach this solution. I find that you're quote fails to adequately account for this, and so I must say that find the thesis to be illogical.

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                          • Edited by die wily: 8/8/2013 5:14:23 AM
                            [quote]If one examines surrealism, one is faced with a choice: either accept dialectic libertarianism or conclude that the task of the artist is social comment, but only if postdialectic cultural theory is invalid; otherwise, we can assume that language is used to reinforce archaic perceptions of society.[/quote]No, we absolutely can't. The neo-Marxists cultural dictums would utterly contradict that assertion. [quote] An abundance of semioticisms concerning the role of the participant as observer may be discovered. In a sense, the premise of predeconstructive theory suggests that truth is impossible.[/quote]Lol, this is actually where I have to say I'm completely ignorant. I *really* need a refresh on my semiotics.

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