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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
Edited by Fleshjack:
5/10/2013 12:43:55 AM
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Are forced miscarriages murder?
I was watching some of the Castro story with the girls that were kidnapped for 10 years and one of the guys forced some of the girls to miscarry whenever they got pregnant. I think that is sick and is murder.
I know the liberals should say it isn't [b]murder[/b] since they think abortion is okay but I mean how isn't that murder? You are killing their baby?
Should it be considered murder?
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Legally, it can be considered murder. [quote] (C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111 (murder), 1112 (manslaughter), and 1113 (attempted murder/manslaughter) of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being. [/quote]
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Bahahahahahahahahah you guys never learn (Political discussion is still the worst change to b.next)
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1 ReplyYes, just like abortion.
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I'm not very well educated on the matter of fetal development, but if the fetus is beyond the state in which it is allowed to be aborted, it should be considered a murder. In other case it's an assault.
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OP likes armor lock.
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Edited by die wily: 5/12/2013 7:16:58 PMIt's definitely a violation of the girl's bodily autonomy, and thus socially reprehensible regardless of one's stance on person-hood. Whether or not it can be appropriately called "murder" depends on how far along the developing fetus / baby was. It certainly seems like the penalty for such cases should be much harsher than that for mere assault.
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I'm a liberal, and I think it's murder. Of course, it depends on a number of things like how far along the fetus was, but for me the key thing here is he [i]forced[/i] them to miscarry. In other words, he took away their right to control their bodies, and that's simply wrong. I should not that I don't exactly have a degree in law, so I'm sure I have some flaws in my reasoning. But that's the way I see it right now, the college senior that I am.
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It doesn't matter what they call it because you still get a heavy sentence for doing it against the will of the pregnant woman.
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No, of course not.
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5 RepliesEdited by Section Ratio General: 5/10/2013 11:05:55 PM>expects a liberal bashing thread >expectations met up with expectations This thread is now about dogs. Edit: Also, no. That's like saying eating McDonalds is the leading cause of deaths in America.
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Why can't we all just agree what he did was completely wrong and he should get the maximum punishment possible for it? A forced miscarriage is wrong no matter how you put it. Murder or not. You're still preventing a life. He's getting the death penalty anyway. He's a sick asshole and he deserves anything he gets. They're already treating him like shit in prison like forcing him to miss meals and such.
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[quote]I know the liberals will say it isn't since they think abortion is okay[/quote] 0/10
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In that case, yes. Murder. The fetuses were pretty late in development. But aborting a zygote is completely different.
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16 RepliesAll you dumb liberals fell into the trap perfectly. You all think it's only right if the WOMAN makes the decision to kill her baby, because then it's not murder. Yeah ok. Just like how if somebody kills you it's wrong, but if you kill yourself it's not wrong? Oh wait it's not the same because you're choosing to kill your own baby, suddenly then it's the only right reason. Why? Just because the baby is blood related and "yours", it gives you the right to kill it? No, that fetus is it's own person, you got pregnant you lazy liberal now take care of that life you just brought into this world and stop collecting money from the gov't
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13 RepliesIt'd be pretty hypocritical of the government to say that forced-abortions are murder while regular murders aren't. The "desires" of the mother shouldn't determine whether squashing a baby is legal or not.
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1 ReplyWhy can't we all just agree what he did was wrong?
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It's part of why they are seeking the death penalty.
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It's not murder but I'm sure it's something.
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He's a 'Monster'.
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4 RepliesWhat? Miscarriage force is murder Abortion force is assault abuse and sexual assault and removal of free will, enslavery, -blam!-, sexual molestation degradation, sexual degradation, very strong sexual violence It's not murder because it's just a sphere constructed out of nucleotides before 3 months It's like loosing skin cells or swatting a fly.
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Sure, why not.
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I really believe so unless the pregnancy will threaten the mother or if contraception was attempted successfully and failed.
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4 Repliesand people say I flamebait... If the women didn't choose to, then its murder. /thread.
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22 RepliesEdited by Entraps: 5/10/2013 6:30:38 PMOf course it is murder. All forms of killing a fetus, regardless of the consent of any person, are murder.
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if it is illegal, then yes. If it isn't, then no.
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3 RepliesYes, forced miscarriage is murder. Abortion is also murder. The reason is simple, and based in science. From the moment of fertilization and conception, the embryo is an organism with different DNA from mother and father. It is literally a different organism, not merely an extension of the mother's body. The DNA of the unborn child is fully and completely human and given nine short months everyone will recognize it as a human baby and at that point be protected under all applicable laws. So to intentionally end its existence at any stage of pregnancy would be murder, just like intentionally ending its existence after birth is also murder.
