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originally posted in:Liberty Hub
6/23/2016 7:02:55 AM
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Political Centrists - A defining lack of principle.

It's almost 1 a.m., but it's been a while since I've had a meaningful discussion. I need my fix. I understand conservatives, for the most part. Conservatives have established principles, and you can usually anticipate what their positions on certain issues will be. I understand liberals (progressives, but I'm a nice man), albeit slightly less. Liberals hold predictable positions on most issues. I don't understand centrists, and that's coming from a guy who is rooted firmly in the center-top of the political quadrant (which I am becoming decreasingly enamored with). As far as the political quadrant goes, I'm grazing the bottom of the word "Libertarian." I sit right on the center line, but I am not a centrist. A centrist in the American sense is somebody who doesn't necessarily ascribe to any of the major political parties. A centrist won't define themselves as a liberal, conservative, libertarian, "democratic" socialist (I'm nice enough to put sprinkles in your sewage, authoritarians), or anything else. I don't believe that it's entirely necessary to label oneself, but I believe that it's important to hold strong principles. Centrists, as we see them in the U.S., don't appear to hold those values. There's a small part of me that agrees with Milo Yiannopoulos - that a Trump presidency would benefit the American political system. Rather than defining ourselves as "Left and Right," we ought to define ourselves as "Libertarian vs. Authoritarian." Centrists could no longer hide in the allegedly-superior center of the spectrum. You support a free society, or you admit that you're willing to violently force others to behave in a way acceptable to you. There's arguably some middle-ground, but in a Liberty vs. Authority spectrum, there's far less middle ground to fight over compared to a Left vs. Right spectrum. [b]Anyways, I want to hear from some self-described centrists. What influences your position on issues? What values do you hold?[/b]

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  • The main point is that you don't necessarily bind yourself to any one group or ideology. Instead you base your decision on issues as a whole. So, instead of just saying "X is more Conservative/Liberal/whatever", you look at it as a checklist of issues they represent. So, maybe the more Liberal candidate is more in favor of a majority of issues that matter to you. You vote for them not because of their ideology but their stance.

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  • We should abolish the 2 party system. Both sides have good policies but both are imperfect in their own ways and I don't understand why you have to fully support one or the other. If people just agreed on what's morally right we wouldn't have any issues.

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    • It seems that many centrists have the same values as progressives. Larger government, more regulations and social programs only achieving these at a slower pace.

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    • You see, I disagree with you. I disagree with you on such an incomprehensible level that i would go so far as to call you "stupid." But, I do not wish to be egregious, instead, I shall simply call you "incorrect." What is my opinion, you ask? I do not believe you could fully understand my stance, due to the great difference in our brainpower. Do not act so indefatigably in your aspiration for knowledge, just know that I, somebody who disagrees with you, know you're wrong. Instead, people like you, erroneous people, should live life knowing you are wrong, and that I proved you wrong. Me. Do not bother trying to counter my argument--seeing as you are incapable--because I will simply mute you. Point. Invalidated.

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      • Edited by Britton: 6/23/2016 9:20:55 AM
        Or I support complete freedom for society to decide for itself on some issues, and I support enforcement through violence on other issues. You can't have a functional society without some enforcement through violence.

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        • I'm sorry that the rest of you are so damned flawed ( ;-;)

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