Lots of people got to 30 when you could cheese Templar and atheon. There's not really a difference, there will always be shitty people with good stuff, and good people with not as good stuff. You just have to take your chances when you're -blam!-ing around with randoms.
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Well,VoG rng was as hard as it gets...
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Still, people cheesed and re leveled characters and all that, it's the same now as it was then. Then there was just more people dedicated to cheesing.
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Cheesing didn't give you another chance at loot...and most people didn't re level
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I didn't say cheesing gave you another chance at loot, and yes plenty of people did re level characters.
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But not majority, vog gear was harder to get
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my argument is that there have always been fake 30/32s, that's a fact. People cheesed vog so much when it was patched no one had any idea how to actually beat it. What are you trying to prove to me?