We all hold 30+ players to a higher standard b/c for those of us that we're around when the first raid came out did. 30's way back when we're like legends, you would kill to get one to help you. It was also way harder to get to 30 b/c RNG kept messing with us. That being said things have understandably changed with the new vendor armor and an utter lack of necessity to play VoG. It seems ridiculous to me to not know VoG by now and I understand people are busy. I don't mind teaching people how to raid, just not on Hard. It's not narrow minded to assume 32's are able to handle themselves properly on a lvl 32 raid. They have twice the power of a 30 with the relic (or weapons in general). In worst case we would have 29's run relic and even they could do it. What has become clearly evident to me is that unlike with VoG, I can no longer assume Max light lvl guardians can handle themselves in a manner they once did. That is truly sad, but it's what the game has become.