And I guess to add if you are in a big rush to not play destiny then why bothe?. To each their own. But you don't get any better using all the exploits possible. But that's a personal choice. When the patch come. And we know it will. Groups not using these exploits will continue to become better as a fire team and as players. As while those that used these exploits will continue to struggle and be on the forums bitching about fight mechanics. Cheese is in no way defined by what we do in this game. There are "exploits" "glitches" and more. people can and will take advantage of them and we will all have a different opinion on what is "right or wrong". Pushing the Templar is an exploit. I wouldn't categorize it the same as using a piece of cover. As that box was intended to be a piece of refugee. But using something like the "forever kneeling" is a glitch and is a bananas offense. But people see it as a short cut and will always want the easy way out. Only to short themselves a true victory.