in my opinion, glitch if you want or dont. they have made it very clear that even if you dont glitch, they will end up giving you stuff in the end that is better and stronger anyway. how many people here did vog for weeks on hard (cheesed or not) just to get the head piece on hard to try and be lvl 30, only to be disappointed to see that you could buy gear to go up to and beyond lvl 30 after the expansion??? truth is, they seem to have set a pattern. there will be cheesers, grinders, elites, and such. everyone plays the game in their own way. why should it be "fixed" or "patched" just because you saw a youtube video about how people did the vog with only two people or soloed crota. i think that should reflect skill, dedication, and persistence in defeating and quite possibly mastering a raid. the classic "you mad bro" seems fitting for this post. ive done things both legit and cheesed. when i am in the mood to really play and have fun with friends, ill do it legit. when i dont have time for it, ill cheese. more often than not (considering i may be the unluckiest person for drop rates from raids, engrams, crucible, and beyond...thats a different rant)...i like to play legit. when someone finds a cheese, i think that its awesome that they even came up with the idea or randomly found it like that. i do not care for punctuation and proper capitalization but i do speak honestly here and thats probably why you are reading more. the most annoying thing to me is not having control over xur and what he sells and how often he sells. i was not fortunate enough to own this game before the icebreaker was being sold. people constantly waving around their icebreakers like oh you dont have one...well i would if i could get a drop for once in my game on crucible or nightfall or weekly heroics but you know i still find a way to play and enjoy it. i will tell you right now, its because of whiny people like you that piss me off because im sure you have everything since the beginning and yet you complain that there are cheeses. try playing knowing you have to buy everything because no matter if you play week by week nighfalls/heroics, play so many different crucible type games, and consistently cant get more than a friggin mote of light or strange coin as a drop while some dbag who is flying around on a sparrow on control basically committing suicide gets an exotic weapon/armor as a drop with a k/d of 0.14 .......then talk to me. xur is a completely different rant that i will not even cover any more about crucible is an atrocious knife in the neck that has no rhyme or reason on the drop rate (and if so please do tell with facts not suspicions) oh and hey if you havent noticed the most annoying thing that needs to be patched more than anything is when you are playing and the game freezes so hard you have to go to the home screen and quit the game in order to play WHICH btw is really awesome when you are playing a nightfall solo like a boss and have no checkpoints to go back to and have to redo (let alone the stupid error codes like mongoose, hive, pineapple, and who the hell knows whatever stupid name they try and play off as a joke) or even public events which you know very well you'll never make it back in time and i personally do not want to go to the destiny public events site to be that crazy over when they happen. maybe if we do what kotaku has said in the past and stop pre-ordering half a** completed games (which essentially states as a gamer that we dont care if its finished or not, heres my money i want it now...putting pressure on them to produce it on time rather than making sure it works) we wont have to worry about things like this...i can only imagine the assassins creed rants over the glitches and pure mechanics of the game that do not work. if you think im wrong. pop in your super mario games on your SNES and tell me if you, back when it was first made, heard that you cant finish the game because its broken...would you still buy it??? please dont tell people how to play or what to fix. this game is already very broken. im sorry that you feel cheesing is wrong but imo again, had they made a finished expansion/game, then you wouldnt have so many complaints in general and on that note... if there is a cheese to get an icebreaker/gjallahorn i am totally doing it