this raid has 1 boss that drops loot. I think the Mini boss will somehow bee a chest if you beat it in a special way (like no teleport from VOG) so i have no issue cheesing my way through the bull shit of no bosses. I am a hunter so my cheese for lamps is to go through it, i choose to avoid the enemy instead of kill them so its not a bad cheese cause i still work...... for the bridge they messed up on that one, and i dont look to cheese it cause i know it will be patched. then i haven't ever did the crota knee one ... and if you dont want to rely on the Bad Blues then find a clan to run with.... or make your own group and say LFM Non Cheese run.... its honestly simple..... you complain about people taking a shortcut, while the hardest part of the raid is finding a group of people you can stand talking to for 30 min to an hour and your skipping that part