The tears from the people who care about OTHER people cheesing and the effort they make to call the cheesers out is funny to exceedingly high levels to me. Instead of finding a group that does not cheese they whine and gripe on the forums and hope they are validated by others. Go and party up with each other if you hate cheesing so much. Or is it that you want to feel like special snowflakes? I did atheon legit on hard for my mythoclast but i can care less if others pushed him for it.