Compare Destiny to Defiance. Defiance was clearly stated to be a MMO. It plays way differently than Destiny in terms to limitations. 16 people in a world. That's not massive No trade systems. Super limited if you want to call it crafting/modding system By no means am I saying Defiance is a great game. I'm just pointing out the difference between a shooting game that actually is a MMO and one that has a 16 player online play service.