well, there's frustration, and then there's "f**k my life", lol but like i said, it's not just supers, it's blade-dancer in particular.....they're next to impossible to kill, and you can see them coming..that's just annoying as shit.....but it's not just all that, it's the whole boring factor...it's just not fun for me....i'm good at it, but that's not enough. i've always found multi to be boring..there's no exploration, no discovery, no point....and it's really annoyed me to watch over the last decade or so, as more and more emphasis has been shifted toward multiplayer......it makes it increasingly difficult for people like me to find games to play....

They need pvp in pve or at least request a 2min dual anywhere on any planet and also add pvp to events..because the continues same thing in the crucible can get boring if you haven't done all your bountys..idk if people say its an mmo then let it be a real mmo and let players be able to kill players in patrol and have clans own zones for weekly prizes...like a real mmo

that's the thing though, Bungie has said repeatedly that this ISN'T actually an MMO.....now, MMO means Massively Multiplayer Online(game)....and this is the point of contention. it is a multiplayer online game....but the map instances have a significantly smaller population cap than your average MMO...like WoW, or Everquest, or Star Trek Online, for instance.....and then on the extreme end of the spectrum, you have something like EVE Online, where there are no instances....they have millions of subscribers, and at any given time, there are thousands upon thousands online playing, and there's only ONE instance.....THE instance...in a massive, persistent world....so while destiny is a multiplayer online game, i don't know about the "massively" part....in addition to that, when people think MMO, they're thinking MMORPG, which this isn't....it's kind of a hybrid deal...i'm not sure there's anything out there quite like this...it's different, but people keep trying to lump it in with other similar things...i think that's where the disagreement comes from... in any event, i don't think PvP anywhere is the answer either, because that's gonna turn a lot of people off too.....maybe PvP zones? or concentual PvP out in the wild?.....PvP could be incorporated, but it would hafta be in a smart way that doesn't force it on people who don't want it....and besides..we're all part of this big brotherhood of guardians...doesn't make any sense that out in the wild, we'd be fragging one another....i mean, if it's gonna be faction against faction, with guardians at each other's throats, that's no different than now...this may as well just call this "call of duty: traveler warfare", and turn the goddamn tower into a PvP combat arena....it would be stupid.

If the game was more like aion it would solve everything you just said..this new thing they are trying to do will be a failure real soon its simple you see its either its an mmo or its not... so many games could be categorized under massive multiplayer online think about it... what makes a mmo is everything from pvpve anything less is a dying joke only reason anyone wants to do raids and instences is to gangk other players

not sure what "aion" is..... they've said it's not an MMO....and compared to other games that are actually marketed as MMOs, this really isn't one.. there's certain criteria that must be met for a game to be considered an MMO...even more criteria for it to be considered an MMORPG.... and i disagree with the assertion of people only wanting to do raids, so they can kill their teammates ....that makes no sense. and i'm not sure wtf you're on about with regards to instances...

Sorry what i ment was to do raid/instences get better gear/weapons to gangk on other players

still not sure i get it....i'm not familiar with raid lingo... in common MMO parlance, to "gank", means to either steal or kill....depending on the game in question...

Killing in this case

I mean only reason i do raids and nightfall is to get better guns to use on players in pvp so people can be like damn i wish I had that gun!!...because lets face it no one really cares about your pve kd...fighting bosses is fun tho they need more bosses on patrol just romming around and take like a an hour to kill but if you do you get big drops..so you would always get messages like hey help me with this giant 2 headed sandsnake that just came out of the ground on mars.