after i read this post i went ahead and gave it a try. after 4 runs i now know how to carey relic comfortably ;) it was alot easier than i thought and most of all, more fun than i thought. i disliked the idea of raiding but i met GREAT people who helped me learn the raid. they stayed with me till the end and beat a full run. i still talk to them and pkay whenever we r online anything from raids to pvp. i have yet to try hard tho. i just got a ps4 last week and if u guys r down to raid maybe night of december 11or 12 i am down. i know expansion is out but id love to down atheon on hard for a challenge!!!