Yep, Bungie seems to want to force you (PvE) to go outside the game, post on a website, hope you can find 5 friendly guys and the play. What a stupid decision to remove chat, force the use of another device and exclude matchmaking in all group activities. It is even stupid you need to orbit if you want to join someone in patrol. I don't see anything on the Destiny box that states you need another device to be able to find users to play Heroic and Raids. Maybe the next patch will remove matchmaking from PvP since that is horrible forcing unknowns together in PvP. It's so easy and fun to hookup outside the game you are playing to find people to play the game you are playing. At the very least, remove matchmaking for any PvP mode that has a 6 member fireteam. It must be ruining the joy for that just like it would for the raid.

Don't see the difference of 5 randoms in game and 5 randoms from forums so why not implement it on game