Normal Templar is a joke and hard mode Templar is pretty much impossible
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Did it last night...58 mins to complete the whole thing. And that was only because of two stupid mistakes that we decided to "wipe" to start over, probably still could have beaten h with just 4 people but we figured a quick wipe and we'd have all 6. Do you know the definition of "impossible"? Cause if one person does it, it's not impossible. VoG with the fixes Bungie has made is so much easier. Yes Templar takes an additional 5-10 mins but no where near hard nor impossible.
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Hard mode just has too many bugs but my team was able to complete it yesterday night. Bugs we encountered: One random run the shield smash would not kill any harpies but the shield melee would. Two runs the templar would teleport every three seconds and that included three detain bubbles every time he teleported. One run I fell through the world when he shot once at my feet. One run I got launched off a platform by an oracle as I was shooting it at melee range. One HILARIOUS run...I was forever under the detain effect (super slow movement) with no detain bubble. At the end every had :35-:43 seconds of detain and I had 3:42 of detain... But all in all...if none of those bugs happen Templar Hard really isn't hard.
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With randoms is unbelievably hard, I would always accept invites from anyone just to help even though I had done the raid before then and would receive no drops. Doing hard mode anything legit with people who don't have skill, lack communication and simply don't know what they're doing is pretty much impossible.
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Pretty much impossible? How can you even say this? Do you mean without teleport? Sure that I can get, but with the teleport? Just stick together, take out adds first and foremost and you're done. I don't even see what could be killing you. Are you running around trying to get the oracles? That's not necessary you can build up enough for a super even when you get marked. As long as you have decent weapons (read: good sniper/heavy maxed out) the dps should be no problem.
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Hard mode Templar is impossible with randoms trying to prevent it from teleporting is what I should have said
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I'll give you that. Do you really need the 2 shards at this point though?
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Me? No, but for some reason there's always that one dude