The Templar is ridiculously easy. People have beaten him alone without cheesing. It boggles my mind that this is actually something people are complaining about. Unfortunately, I CAN see where you're coming from about it not being worth it. It used to be super easy to get loot from the Templar, and now it's a fight a lot of people have to learn for the first time. It's pretty stupid to have to do much more work for the same drops. But complaining it isn't fun anymore? That, now [i]THAT[/i] is ridiculous. Do you really mean to tell me that cheesing him was [i]fun[/i], and now it's not fun because it's a challenge? If the only "fun" part of the raid is getting loot, that is pretty sad. For everybody that always cheesed him, they have basically included a NEW BOSS. Cheesing him was stupid and boring. Kinda a mockery of the entire raid. Frankly they need to give Atheon a 3x health buff and start player spawns on the central conflux once you're in the oracle phase. But I'm probably one of like two people with this opinion.