I would have agreed with you earlier today. I ran with a different group than normal and it was brutal. Then I ran with my normal group and we did the whole raid in less than two, without cheesing at all. I know some would find that laughable that it took us that long, but considering the new update and how long it's been since we did the Templar normally... it was a great raid. On top of that it the most successful raid yet, netting my team two mythoclasts, the last person needing lvl 30 gear got what he needed and I got the timepiece, the last raid weapon I cared about. Hard mode is brutal, but it's still very doable with a good team.