For PvP only folks... there is no way for them to get raid gear riiight? So why should PvE folks get access to PvP gear? Thats a small point though, meat is below. The mobs in Raid/Strikes dont complain when we cheese every strike and raid boss like we used to. You ever see a post from a PvE mob saying "WTF I GOT ICEBREAKER AGAIN! DISCUSS!" or Atheon posting "DEEJ PLEASE READ, THESE GRENADES...". Only real way to watch PvE is watch completion times. PvP is a different story. Certain weapons will run rampant in crucible. Which cause people to complain and post on forums. You should be posting a thank you to bungie for fixing exploits in VOG. True PvE guys like the challenge. PS I do PvP and PvE, I enjoy them both