I remember a time when you killed the Templar by taking the Relic and your team to a sniper platform. Before that, I remember hearing the news of the first raid team to beat VoG. When we heard this news, I was lvl 27, with two lvl 26's and three 25's. We were wondering how to beat the Templar, after about a dozen attempts at confluxes and easily thrice that many on oracles, and all before any how-to guides online. I remember when the legends of a Guardian who actually hit level 30 when a level 29 was still considered to be almost God-like. But that's all history now...