I'll probably enjoy the resurgence of Thorn. Armor of Light Ward of Dawn renders its DoT useless so long as it is up. Two headshots, walk away and I walk into my WoD to let it soak up the DoT. It's a real pain for any other class, though. Two headshots to guarantee a kill is basically the fastest any Primary in the game can get and a skilled Thorn user will almost always at least trade kills unless you OHKO them. Mythoclast is at a good level. 5HKO to the head against everything with Aggressive Ballistics and 5HKO to most things, with a 6HKO to targets with a lot of Armor with Smart Drift. It has a very good TTK if you land all shots, without being OP; it's just now top tier for Primary optimal TTK, like it should be. Also, what's the damage on Red Death with Aggressive Ballistics? Anyone know? Bungie really surprised me by breaking archetypes. Red Death has the RPM of Bad Seed Down with much higher Impact according to DB... That should make it a beast in PvE and nice in PvP, though if it removes the ability to kill in two bursts it could actually make it kill more slowly at times. 66 RoF/26 Impact should pump out good DPS considering Bad Seed has 66 RoF with only 14 Impact and is already one of the more reliable models.