I say that all of us PVE players that hate PvP should just play the crucible...and play it badly. You still get two marks if your team loses, I think. Once all of the PVP players start to complain on the forums about us PVE players being on their teams, maybe Bungie will listen and add a way for us PVE players to buy gear from the other factions again. This won't be a popular idea, but at this point who cares. I'm tired of PVE players getting the crap end of the stick!