Mida is not being mentioned? people are stunlocking mission/strike bosses with it, and that stagger applies to pvp. Mida should theoretically win 1v1 engagements with anything that's not a fusion, HMG, or shotgun. [b]BTW, the net effect of this patch for THORN in crucible is to restore it to what it was before the previous patch.[/b] The only difference is 3 more rounds, and if you've gone through 6 in crucible something is wrong and you're likely dead anyway.