Alright let me end this whole debate with facts. 1. Bungie made Destiny, and they can decide what makes someone a 30 or not. 2. Bungie created the Raid so people can become a level 30 3. Bungie created Iron Banner and added armor that can reach level 30. 4. Bungie did not include FULL level 30 armor within the Iron Banner. Why is this? Because Bungie still wants people to do the raid. The only way to become level 30 is too have the gear given to you from the raid. Bungie made the game, and they say it's the way to become a 30. In Bungie's eyes, this is the TRUE 30. Now, people that have Iron Banner gear are given their due, but in Bungie's eyes, a true level 30 grinds the raid until they get their desired gear. Now, let's end this dumb fighting, to me a 30 is a thirty. You played the game and earned the gear Nuff said. Edit: This is not to say one 30 is better than other 30s. You are all 30s in my eyes.