Well, that doesn't really explain much for me, but I'll do what I can with it. I do appreciate the further explanation though. I can't see how any of the ancient races in SW hold a candle to Precursors due to precursors not really having a concept of actual death, and being older than the universe itself. If you'd like to explain the accomplishments of those races, feel free to do so. I've not read SW's EU itself, and the small amount of knowledge I have comes from skimming wiki pages which can often leave out crucial details, so I can't really comment on but so much. I also can't see how any of those superweapons outclass any in the Haloverse. The Halo array can be activated all at once via the ark, can fire multiple pulses every minute, and are slipspace capable. Not only that, but the combined effect outs an entire galaxy, whereas the super weapons listed on SW's side out a star system at best. However even barring the array, star roads cancel out, like literally cancel out, any of those super weapons. Not only that, but they're not destructible by anything other than the array itself. When it comes down to the sheer size of other forces, I can agree that SW simply has more. However, Precursors are older than time and inhabit multiple galaxies, not just one. It's important to remember that because we're literally sending one galaxy's worth of forces up against multiple + the small fries that are everything else in Halo. Humanity (modern, not ancient,) and the covenant are essentially fodder in this scenario. However the Forerunners destroy stars/planets, can use a single warrior servant/soldier to crack continents, create dyson spheres/shield worlds, and has armor that can adapt to any scenario after a couple exposures to it. If a lightsaber so much as grazed it, but left the wielder/suit alive (btdubs, the suit can keep the wielder alive beyond normal capacity) then the rest of the battle is essentially decided due to the lightsaber becoming null at that point, as far as I can tell. As far as ground battles go, I can't see anything in SW, combined or not, beating out an entire army of continent cracking soldiers that control drones and ships, in real time, by a ratio of 1 to 1 million. Each of those drones/ships are capable of various levels of destruction. The forerunners alone make up for easily more than one race because of this. When you send a soldier to a fight against a single warrior servant, you're sending a soldier to a fight against 1 millions ships, and a continent cracking humanoid being. When a single individual can control an entire military's worth of ships, I honestly cannot think of many things would win out against them, especially if you're not having just one but multiple of them.

#nerdoff Haha in all seriousness you do bring up excellent points, however I still feel inclined to put my money on the Star Wars universe if I had too Unfortunately the majority of star wars' extra dimensional beings aren't fully "explained" although we do catch glimpses of their powers and machinations through out the EU. Unfortunately due to f[u]u[/u]cking Disney, we most likely won't ever get a huge background on say the Celestials; who were known to have destroyed hyperspace routes throughout the edge of the galaxy for unknown reasons (although it is speculated that they did so to halt the advance of Mgnnal-Mgnall), scare extremely advanced races (such as the Sharu and Columni) to check their expansion and even revert to a primitive form of living to seek refuge from the notice of the Celestials on the case of the former. (It is also claimed that the Columni, while extremely advanced at one point, actually retreated from the stars after encountering the Celestials). They are also credited with creating massive objects such as centerpoint and sinkhole station to check the creature Abeloth, and created entire systems and clusters such as the Corellian and Vultar systems, the Hapes cluster, the Kathol Rift, and possible the Maw black hole cluster. They're also credited with potentially seeding the inner core with life other than just humanity. The Ones are also incredibly powerful force users said to be related to the Celestials in some way, although the extent of that relation is never fully explored. The Celestials are pretty formidable and mysterious, but again F[u]u[/u]ck Disney, they ruined so much of the EU:-/ [spoiler]also I hadn't heard much about the precursors or their abilities before this thread, do you have a source from the Halo EU that fleshes out their race? It sounds extremely interesting[/spoiler] I also find it interesting how both these advanced races (Precursor and Celestial) were both usurped in some way by those they created/nurtured to an advanced state (forerunners and Rakata) and disappeared from the galaxy at large.

That's actually even more interesting due to the fact that precursors also did something similar to your hyperspace scenario- they were capable of forcing fleets outside of slip space, among other things, and though they certainly didn't make anybody retreat from the stars, they did torture space faring civilization for quite a awhile. I think it's clear that there's more inspiration from SW inside halo than I originally thought. Disregarding this, the Disney situation does suck. Did they say it was outright never going to be touched again, or did they just kinda shove it off to the side to shift focus? I can't see why they'd completely remove something as interesting as the celestials when you describe them the way you do.

Except for the fact there is an explanation for the disappearance of the Precursors and Forerunners.

True, which is another reason why I hate Disney. We never know why the Celestials disappeared, only that they just left after their war with the infinite empire. At least KOTOR gave some background on how the Infinite empire collapsed though. Still it'd have been nice to know more about the Celestials :-/