No it is not speaking the other side only if you back it up with lots of reasons. You dont have to do it that way all the time. I dont have to debate in the maner that you think is the proper manner. I dont have to discuss in the maner that you think is the proper manner. Opinnions are speaking the other side no matter if you think so or not. Not everyone has to discuss/debate in the manner you think is correct and by them not doing so does it make it any less valid either. As toward not having computers or games, would not matter for yes these are just devices of laziness no mater how fun they can be. Not all improvements made are true improvments and helpful to the human race as much as some like to claim they are. people become dependant upon them and cannot function without them because they have become to lazy. Easy is not always better or for the better. Feedback should be looked at yes, and considered with a hefty grain of salt and not just implemented or tried just becuase some on a forum think so ever. there is no such thing as a sybiotic relationship with the community for the community does not really know what it wants or if it is good or not. It only knows what a few want and think is good which may not actually be good at all. Not all idea's are good or worht the time to look in to to see if can be done or not. No, not here for the debate. I am devils advocate so speak regardless of what others feel or think for no real reason other than to speak that other side and express the possible negative response that is often unsaid and not wanted to be said by the OP or others in the post that blinly agree for the sake of agreeing. No, I am a relist. I dont need the approval of others ever. Only the idealist needs the approval of others all the tiem and cannot handle anyone that disagree's. Again I do not have to discuss or debate in the maner that you think is correct. Not everyone has to or will just becasue youn think they should. Not everyone ahs to care if you dont like how they respond or change to fit how you want them to respond. I know how I come off to others here and I do not worry about it. I am not here to be liked or popular or make friends on a forum. I do not do such things or believe in them at all. People here are nothing more than a name/nick and nothing mroe than an aquaintance ever. Never of any importance beyond that, nor do I expect them to think differently of me either. I am far beyond that way of thinking about the internet or so called communities which really do not exist but in the minds of the people that think they do. It is not apathy, for not all things need change all the time. Not all things do change or have to change or should be changed just becuasce it may be possible. And as stated I am simply providing my feedback that it is not needed and only wanted which are two seperate things. And wants do not always need to be met or given into just becuase some think they would be good if done so.