Feedback was asked for and so if I suggest a ship vault or extra vault space or materials to be treated like glimmer, you're saying that those ideas may not be good for some....who? Why? I'm eliminating loading screens unnecessary back and forth to tower and switching chars. That not good for everyone? It's your opinion good sir, not a fact. Just saying...

Just becuase you want something does not mean it is needed or good for the game. the reason to go to the tower each time is to turn in boutnies, pick up more, buy items from venders. so having the vault be there only makes perfect sence. having it on the ship is for the impatient or the lazy who do not want to waste a few moments time to go to the tower..

You don't sound poisonous outright, but your viewpoint causes apathy and maintains the status quo. There is no point to it. We no longer churn our own butter because it was a pain. People who wanted to make it easier weren't lazy. They helped humanity. We no longer sew our own clothes. I do not need to work as hard as my grandfather, etc. People should provide feedback, and if enough people agree then that feedback should be used. This is how a game evolves. Stating that anyone who wants something to be more convenient is lazy is an ad hominem argument. Instead of talking about whether the change is a good idea or not, you are attacking the person trying to invalidate the argument. This has no bearing on whether or not it is a good idea. You should instead say why you think it is a bad idea and support it as best you can. That is the most help to any debate.

It does not cause apathy at all. It is called speaking the other side. all idea's have two sides. not just one ever. Not all improvements are improvments for many do cause laziness in the how we now live no matter how much easier it made it. Easier is akin to lazier. If you need something else to do it for you, then you are lazy. Just like people who rely on cell phones and texst messages now instead of just calling someone and speaking to them directly. People can provide feedback, but not all feedback is good or should be considered or done. And no just because a lot think it it does not make it so nor does it mean it should be done. For these forums are a minority of the players not the majority. yes wanting something to be easier is lazy or having of little impatience and needing gratifcation quicker than really is needed but only wanted. Not here to get in a debate or long discussion, just to provide my own feedback even if is seen negative by those who disagree with it. I have allready stated my reasons as to why. That just because some think is good or cool or needed does not make it as so nor has it ever made it as so nor should it ever make it so. it is the developers to make the final choice if is good or not, needed or not and should be or not in the game. Not the player. the player only gives idea's the developers then decide if is viable according to how they see the game progressing and not just based upon some players on a forum and what they want intsead.

It is only speaking the other side if you back it up with reasoning. Opinion for opinions sake with an attack on those who think otherwise does not in any way count as speaking the other side, it only attempts to invalidate the other side through directly attacking those with a different viewpoint ;p The laziness you speak of lead to modern computing so that machines could do our jobs for us. You wouldn't have Destiny without the laziness you are referring to resulting in innovation. Human beings will always want to make life easier on themselves. If you equate that to laziness that is up to you, but in that case you can't deny the inherent good qualities of that laziness. Included in the benefits would be enjoyment of a game that you play for fun. All feedback should be considered. All thoughts examined. There is no downside to looking through what is provided from the community to see if there are grains of truth, good ideas, and good innovation. There is however a negative to ignoring feedback and limiting your scope of information and ideas since it is possible for a small group to miss out on what is wanted by many. There is also no point in you stating that they don't NEED to do anything. That is obvious. No law or power demands it. It is however in their benefit to form a symbiotic relationship with the community. You have responded to all these posts. You clearly are here for the debate regardless of what you say. You say you don't need the approval of others. As if you are the loan voice of reason, incredibly self sure in all that you say. A true realist that the sheep can't ever quit understand. It comes off as though you look down on all the commoners from your ivory tower or from that fine looking high horse you are riding :) However it is clear that isn't quite the case. You provided no actual arguments for the opposite side, no healthy debate. What you provide is not for human betterment and doesn't describe how most businesses currently work. There is nothing real about that. Everything you are saying has you looking like a narcissist and a pessimist masquerading as a realist desperately wanting your voice to be heard and then telling all those who oppose you that you don't need there approval. Instead I think you would benefit greatly from trying to be part of the community. Even if your viewpoint is different from the group you can constructively say way by arguing against it with viable viewpoints thus creating a healthy debate and leading everyone to the best conclusion. I hope you understand that I am not talking badly about you directly, but instead showing you how you are coming off with the statements you have made. Frankly I don't know you. You might be a great person. But what you currently provide... leaves much to be desired. Your voice is calling for apathy, stating that change to make things easier is lazy. It is a direct attack on those that believe it and results in a lack of changes and inaction. It definitely results in apathy whether you care to admit it or not. No one said wholeheartedly that a developer MUST implement what they are saying. That would be impossible. What is being asked is that it is considered. At that point the devs can get feedback, decide if it helps the game, etc. But all info should be considered, there are only benefits. Also, it's a freaking engram. Lighten up man.

Someone got spoiled beyond salvation.

Has nothing to do with being spoiled. Has to deal with just because one person thinks something is cool or good does not mean it really is or would work well or needs to be added to the game.

If you say so. And what do you accomplish by shooting down other's ideas and feedback? As far as I know, all you'll get is hate from others. And you will be seen as a negative influence throughout the community instead of being supportive and positive. We do not get anything by providing feedback and ideas to the game, and yet, here we are doing it, because what we really are looking for is the acknowledgement of others and see how many out there shares the same thoughts as yours. I ask you now, Why it shouldn't be implemented to the game? Why not take an idea that can improve a little portion of the game? Why say no to improvement? If the answers are still the ones you are providing right now, then you are a lost cause and should be avoided. After all, I seek approvals, not denials. I could care less of your response. But just so you know, you are creating a negative aura, and often this type of aura gets ignored, and lost to the ages.

I dont care about the hate from others. I am not here to be liked by everyone or popular with what i say or agree or disagree with. like the op I was giving my feedback on what I felt about the suggestion. I dont care if people see me as negative. I am realist and most are often seen as negative people by people like you who only want others to agree and approve of what ever is suggested. Just because you say or think it is improvement does not make it so. Not every idea no matter how well it sounds on a forum is actual improvement to game play. Tough if you seek only approvals, it means you have a poor sense of self if that is all you seek and accept and canot handle denial. Actually no it does not get ingored or lost to the ages as you like to try and claim. Only a fool thinks in that manner. Developers listen to both sides of feedback not just what some claim is the positive.

I indeed cannot handle denials, but I have the capabilities to accept them. Cold truth is, no one likes denials, everyone seeks approval. Only a fool would accept denials with utter most love and agreement. And you say that you are giving feedback... What kind of feedback is it? It is a opinion in reality. It is not something that grants improvement nor regression. You are just taking names and shooting them all down. In what portion of your feedback you are providing an idea? You are just saying "just because a group likes it doesn't mean it must be implemented and/or will be a good addition to the game." This is not feedback, this is a opinion pretending to be a helpful advice. What is the point of saying something when the one speaking it does not care of what others say? Why say it in the first place if you won't care about what others think about it? You just sit down, spew it out, and move one with little to care about. And that is the primary reason no one will take you seriously. But of course what do you care? You say we are wasting time? We aren't. Every word we speak is to share with others what we want to see and wait for it to be approved or denied. You are not doing such thing, a meaningless sentence is equivalent to a nonexistent testament. Therefore, non of your words have any reason to exist, unless you start to seek approvals, denials, or even both. But again, what do you care? Why should I keep replying to you? The answer is simple. I do so because I want to see what your response will be. And by doing so, I am not wasting my time. Because I am seeking something that I want. I want to see a response, analyze it, and reply to it. That is good enough to make my words meaningful to some extent.

Feedback does not have to provide progression or regression in how things are in a game. Feedback can simply be ones feelings or views about an idea posted by another person. It does not have to be postiive or even truly helpful in any means at all. Feedback is just a singular point of view and nothing more. It does not have to have any meaing beyond that simple fact. Yes saying what I did is a form of feedback even if you dont like it. Not all feedback has to be of a positive or negative format wiht reasons behind them to be argued/debated about. Not all things said are meant to be debated/discussed. some are meant to either be accpeted or not and then moved on and not worried about any more. You dont have to care what otehrs think nor should you all the time. Not everyone has to care what everyone else feels or wants or thinks all the time this is what it means to be an adult with the understanding of freedom of speech and being able to be an individual and not having to follow the crowd just becuase the crowd thinks you should. Do not be a sheepole just because the other sheepole think you should be one. You speak to speak to put out the idea or thought and then let go of it and see where it goes. You dont need to care if it even goes anywhere or not. Not all speech or thoughts have to go anywhere or need to be cared about by anyone ever. It is sort of childish to think that they do or should be all the time. I am not worried if someone takes me serious or not, that is not my concern hear or anywhere on any forum ever. I dont care because I dont have to care if I choose not too. And nothing said by anyone will ever change that fact either because I dont have to change just because someone did not like the manner in how I responded as long as it did not go agianst the forums rules direcly. You will got ever get direct denail from the developers here about anything offered as a suggestion. It does not happen. No sentence is meaningless, the meaing lies in how it is read or understood by the perosn reading it, not by what is said in and of itself. Just because you do not like something does not make it meaningless or less valid than anything you say. The same could be said about your words and attempts at taking the moral high grounds to make one seem better when one is really not. Your attempts to make your point more valid than mine are complete failure and no one with any common sense will fall for it. I do not ever have to seek approval or denail just because you do and need too. I do not have to live my life like you ever. And it does not make me less of a person for not doing so. In fact it makes you less of a person for trying to insuate otherwise. I respond just to respond, not for any reason or need. Unlike you I am capable of speaking without having a reason or need behind what is said. I do not need approval of my thoughs or feelings nor do I let denials affect me in any manner. Words are powerless unless the reader choose's to give them power over them. Which it seem as if you do by needing approval of what you say or denail. This is a common factor in people that are not as mature as they like to think or feel. A truly mature person can handle and accept denail with out lettin it bother them at all for they understand and know that not everyone will always approve of what they say nor do they truly have to care if it happens or not. I simply replided that it is not needed in the game that it is only wanted by the OP and that is the simple truth. And wants do not equate to needs all the time, nor do wants have to always be considered by the developers nor should they awlays be just becuase the poster thinks they should. That to get upset when someoen says othewise is childish. To get upset when someone disagree's shows a lack of maturity. To let the fact that someone disagreed make one feel less is just foolish.

And you still don't get the point of this argument. Not going to bother with either. BTW why the insults? I recall not being rude or insulting. But hey, it's the internet, everyone gets butthurt once in a while, don't worry, I'm sure you are not the only one here. Or are you?

The insults are because you tried to imply that by me not caring it made my view of less meaing when in truth it does not. And no was not butthurt at all. Again you do not undestand me or why I am here and why I speak as I do. And more than likely you never will because I am not like most here in the fact that I dont need approval or denial of what I say. For the itnerent is just words to me, no meaing no power, no emotions, no feelings. For as an adult I choose not to let it bother me if others do not agree with me. I am far beyond that level of caring or needing of acceptance in forums anymore. That part has long been gotten over after I opened my eyes to what the interent was. Nothing more than words that have no true power or meaning other than what the reader gives them, just like a book. That no matter who said them, what was said by them on the other end it does not really matter nor do I have to care or feel about them in any certain way if I dont want too no matter if that other perosn thinks I should or not.

It's not my fault you made yourself meaningless. Don't blame me, it's just what reality is, but if you can't handle the truth what can you do? Insult and try to turn things around in your favor.

The next idea you have, someone won't agree with it. There will always be one who doesn't like what you like. Does that then mean that your idea shouldn't be followed up or even considered? Silly argument

I dont care if my idea's are agreed with or disagreed with. I dont need them to be agreed with by everyone ever. Nor does it matter if they are considered or followed up upon either. It is givne and what is done wiht it at that point nolonger matters. To think that everyone has to agree with something is silly and foolish just because some thinks it may be good.

You really are missing the point from everyone here. But whateve's guy, just proceed along your merry way and leave the rest in peace. Why drag it on like a douche nugget?

Noty missing the point at all. just because some think it is cool or neat and needed does not make it so.

Right, you've made that clear, but what everyone has been replying to you about is not that. They are replying to your horribly negative attitude and put down of someone's, really good imho, idea. Leave your criticism and then actually leave. That's all OP was asking for to begin with. Instead you went on for a long time on something seemingly incredibly pointless and irritating, much as i am doing now, negativity spreading rant.