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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
11/11/2014 8:03:16 PM
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He already did appear. And I don't think you would willingly accept a sentence to hell. That's sort of the point of the notion of hell.
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Where? Where did he appear?
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I mean appear in a modern setting and be visible for all to see. And I'm not sure why you're doubting me. I've made my decisions. If I am sentenced to hell because of them, then I can live with those decisions.
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He appeared when he did. This goes back to my issue with the "I can't see it so it isn't true" pseudo-rationality. That's not a good argument for anything. The truth is not always visible. There is quite a bit of the human experience that cannot be explained by the senses. About hell, there seems to be quite a bit of misunderstanding by almost everyone about the notion of hell. Fire and brimstone, Satan torturing folks, etc. All imagery taken from ancient European pantheism or used allegorically in the Bible. What is clear, however, is that hell is not a place that gives itself over to a person willingly going there. It will be worse than all the terrible things on Earth put together. Saying that you would willingly accept it is posturing at best, baffling ignorance at worst.
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You misunderstand. OP asked me what I needed to believe in God. This is my opinion. It cannot be wrong or right. You cannot tell me what I need to believe in something. All I'm saying is that I am at peace with my decisions. Why is this so wrong to you?
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Opinions absolutely can be right or wrong. And I'm not telling you to believe in hell or not. I'm telling you that you're stance is irrational and that in the hypothetical case that you proposed, you would woefully unprepared to accept your "sentence" willingly. Though, to be fair, that line of thinking appears to come from pride, so perhaps you would be willing to forego an eternity of peace for a possible eternity of misery as long as you know that it was your decision. I guess that's not ignorance as much as foolishness. Either way, it's your hypothetical, and I'm saying it's nonsense. Whether it's your "opinion" or not makes no difference to me.
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You're still assuming that I have no idea what Hell is like. I made a decision to believe in God at one time, and I've made the decision to stop, since. You don't know me or my views, so you cannot say that my proposal is irrational. It fits my criteria for believing in God, and frankly it's becoming irritating that you even think that you can tell me I'm wrong for having them.
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Your responses only demonstrate what I've been saying. You're being irrational. I don't have to know your particular circumstances or your story. Your responses smack of postmodernist thinking. Just because you don't like what I'm saying, and just because you say it's an opinion, and just because it doesn't fit into your narrative, doesn't mean I'm wrong. I personally don't ascribe to a "whatever makes me feel bette" philosophy. It's nonsense and has no credibility.
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Who the fuck cares though, really? He asked what I needed to believe in God. I said what I needed, and added that if he was real, I would accept my fate. Why do you feel the need to cross analyze that to begin with? Did my initial stance irritate you? You can not say what it will take for me to believe in god. Ever. And the fact that you think that you can, is baffling.
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I haven't attempted to tell you what it would take for you to believe in God. That's not within my abilities as a human being. I was merely pointing out the asininity of your position on hell.
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Did I miss where I said that I knew so much about it? Because I don't remember saying that I was an expert, or anything along those lines.
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Right. So I've given you a free lesson. You're welcome.
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In something that I don't care about? For absolutely no reason? And you're suggesting I should be [i]grateful?[/i] Fucking lol. You're a real piece of work.
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Thank you.
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No problem, asshole.
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You could be saved from all decisions, every single bad decision. That's why Jesus came to earth, to save all people, no matter the decision. And once you accept salvation, your salvation can never be taken awsy, no matter what. There's nothing to lose to accept Jesus. But it is entirely your choice to make.
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I've already been baptized. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Baptism does not save you. Only the decision to surrender yourself to Jesus, to accept His salvation and believe in His grace and mercy could save you. Baptism comes after the decision has been made. After being saved, typically yiu get baptized to make a demonstration to all others. A dedication to the faith if you will. Baptism is meant to show non believer and those that have not been baptized to be encourage to make the change. BABY baptism is more for the parents and the community. To be able to say that I dedicate raising this baby with the knowledge of the Lord. Baptism does not guarantee salvation.
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Wow, I so do not want to be preached to.
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Wasn't meant to sorry. Just responding
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Regardless, I've already made those decisions, and have since stopped believing. That was my point.
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Edited by ShaughnTr0n: 11/11/2014 8:10:08 PMDouble post!
