No one was talking about PvP, no one even mentioned it. And that bit of extra damage that you can take can make a huge difference. But my main point was to counter him saying that hunters are the best with the relic, the titan is literally designed for the relic in the fact that it is meant for melee fighting. I have seen really good hunters with the relic and really bad titans. The majority of it has to do with the person playing the game.