So I don't know who you guys play with but personally out of all the raids I've done I've never once seen a hunter kicked he'll I carried a lvl 25 hunter through it the other day I really don't see the problem its just people you meet are elitist assholes also you forgot to mention you can go invis when marked and your screen won't be black and to the people saying locks with self revs are bad/stupid its not the class its the player I personally as a lock rarely die in the vault but when I do its not cause I think im invincible its cause I get overly confident or in last nights case the people I ran it with had no idea how to kill atheon I myself have been kicked though as a level 30 lock from raids for not wanting to cheese the templar the problem is over 75 percent of the people in the raid don't know how to do it legit