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Edited by Sgt Cabose: 11/7/2014 4:49:37 PM
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Runners vs Completionists

Runner

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Completionist

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Idler

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Q: When it comes to strikes, you're a _______. But I'm "both". There is no option for me! [spoiler]Assume you have all the time in the world and you're soloing if you're "in the middle or both." This will help you identify what you really PREFER. Certainly, when faced with a time crunch but really want to play, we'll change out tactics from our true desires. However, with unlimited time, we'd be more likely to do what we WANT. Edit: there is no "Both" option. I want you to pick a side and defend it. Certainly there are a ton of us (myself included) that play to the rest of the group. But base your decision on soloing. Don't take the middle ground. That's too easy :P [/spoiler] Why there is no RIGHT answer: [spoiler]I'd recommend the book [u]Switch[/u] by Chip and Dan Heath. Arguing logic doesn't work. You have to motivate the emotional side of an individual to make it really work (in conjunction with logic). Your logic is sound, but you haven't targeted the [b][i][u]reason[/u][/i][/b] people walk/shoot (completionist) every strike. Some people are just plain having fun. If you could [b][i][u]show[/u][/i][/b] someone how much more [i]fun[/i] it is to run vice walk, you'd swing the community. Unfortunately, that must be felt and experienced. The written word (here) will most likely only apply to logic (unless you're an incredible writer). Logic is just not a strong enough element to do it alone.[/spoiler] Concerning the term: "Efficient" and why it's not an option on my poll. [spoiler]Most runners are running because of [i]time[/i] efficiency. That's probably the right title depending on your operational definition of efficient. One size does not fit all here. "Efficient" is defined by the measurement: Efficient completionists aren't worried about time, but kills instead... Not skipping any enemies. 100% encountered enemies die at their hands. Efficient runners are looking for personal records on strike TIME completion. "Gotta shave 30 seconds off. Skip the stupid colossus and just run by it." It's all in the eye of the beholder. Use this weeks Weekly Heroic as an example. After you activate the console in the public area by the interceptors, do you: A) Fight every enemy in the first big interior chamber and then continue on, also killing every enemy in front of the bosses siege tank (public area)? Efficient mob killer = completionist. Or B) Run and jump past those guys to get to the lieutenant fight (darkness zone), then run and jump to boss area? Efficient TIME completion = runner. Certainly there are those that want to split hairs and kill stuff while they're running through, but killing level 28 cabal majors and ultras takes some freaking time. If you're stopping to down all those dudes you're a completionists.[/spoiler] THIS POLL IS TO INCREASE AWARENESS This is the problem: People fall into 2 real categories. You either want the end of strike rewards only and time is of the essence, or you want to take the scenic route and kill everything on the way. Neither of these practices is bad!!!! Your brain and play style dictate what group you fall into. This does not mean the other group is [b][i][u]wrong[/u][/i][/b]! They're just different. Understand this and stop taking it personally. [spoiler]Idling is straight garbage. I don't care about the no-death strike bounties. Participate or get reported. Standing around farming materials and trash mobs also counts as idling no matter how you try to explain it.[/spoiler] So, which group to you fall into? I want this post to stick so everyone understands that there are 2 different schools of thought here and you should try to understand the majority. If 2 people sparrow off, they're runners. If you're a completionist, just quit, or speed ahead, help, and try your luck with a different group. If you sparrow up and the others walk towards the first mob, they obviously want to kill stuff. Quit, or hop off the sparrow and help. Of course no one is holding a gun to your head to be a team player, but team playing requires a "majority rules" mentality. Being the only runner makes you look like a jack ass. Sure, you soloed the boss. But your other 2 "team" members were left behind. It's not good etiquette. I say follow the crowd vice throwing a tantrum that someone isn't playing "your" way. Especially if you're the only one that wants to do it that way. Check left. Check right. Play as a team, OR DONT USE RANDOM MATCHMAKING AND GET MAD WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG! I'm a runner. Ran Sepkis Prime 25 times for Bad Juju, but slowed down when my team mates wanted to. Cheers guys. I did this in fun, but I hope it sticks. There are way too many hate threads about this.

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  • If this game actually gave meaningful rewards to players who "took the scenic route" Id be more inclined to agree and join in the crawlfest. But the game does no such thing.

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      This is very well written and I am honestly impressed. I may do my strikes a bit differently now.

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      • Im both. If they run pass everything ill do the same. If they wanna call everything ill kill everything

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      • I see zero reason to drag ass through strikes. I do them for Vanguard points, and the occasional rare blue reward!

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      • If I could bypass the boss I would. Ain't got time to sponge bathe phogoth every damn time

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      • Most of the time I just go with the flow.

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      • i say i am a completionist because far too often i get blue engrams off the trash mobs, and lately, maybe even a legendary.. so why pass that up. if the other idiots fly pass, it doesnt bother me as 9 times out of 10, i am higher level, and have better gear than they do, and have no problems catching up to them. by the time i reach them, there is little work i need to do other than kick back and enjoy the free loot from the boss that is just about dead when i get there

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      • When I play on my own I like to stay back kill everything, and work through slowly. When I am playing with friends though you have to sprint through or you won't get to land a single hit on the boss.

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      • Edited by DARQ Clown: 12/13/2014 4:47:57 PM
        I'm a little of both I suppose.. If it's new or I'm not used to it then I like to take it slow and go completionist. If it's something I have down to a science then I see no reason to why you can't run through it just to get it done. Anymore though I just follow the majority rules idea. It's called Co-op for a reason.

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        • On essence I agree. One thing though, ammo isn't always dropped and is expensive. That is the reason I am a runner. Forcing me to use ammo on adds when it could be saved for harder things like Nightfall is not cool either. I don't need to solo the boss. I need my team together. You can kill everything in sight on your solo missions and patrol. If you see everyone running, run.

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          • Edited by CombatJack0331: 12/13/2014 5:10:19 PM
            Completionist here. All my legendary drops were when I was finishing off some scrubs and the rest of the team went up ahead in a mad dash to the end. For what, two randoms? Nah, I'll take all the extras.

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          • I'm a completionist. I'm not talking about the trash enemies at the beginning of sepiks prime strike, I'm talking about groups like the vex and minotaurs on the way to the archon priests once you get on the pikes. Why people skip those is beyond me. A legendary or decoherent might drop. This is why I level up the cryptarch every 3-4 strikes with decoherents. I kill everything in a strike.

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            • Tl; dr I complete it by running to the end and completing it.

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            • I would rather run Strikes due to I have done them all too many times to count BUT if my team wants to kill everything I'm game and/or I'm doing a bounty like Precision Kills or the new one from Eris kill with Void.

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              • If both run I'll run. If one kills everything I'll stay with them and let the lone wolf do his thing. Doesn't bother me either way.

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              • The only reason I run strikes is to complete bounties. Usually that means I can't die. Sure, it would be nice to complete every aspect of the strike, but the longer I spend running it, the greater the chance I'll end up dying.

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              • Given no time constraints I am certainly a completionist, I would like to take the time and go through every battle killing enemies - because I actually enjoy the combat part of the game. HOWEVER If I have time restrictions than I am a complete runner only stopping where I have to - BUT I will still wait for teammates before advancing, I want it done quick but I don't go ahea without the fire team.

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                • You have more chances of getting a legendary engram off any of the mobs you kill. That's why I like killing Everything. For the runners, your chances decreases alot obviously since you're just trying to complete the strike asap and miss all the mobs who just may have your engram.

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                • I agree 100% with your thoughts and article. But in the end this is a video game that each individual paid for or was gifted which either way we own. Therefore as a video game that each individual owns, we or they can do whatever they please. It's not about what's right or wrong. I would understand and support that aspect 100% in real life but not in a video game I'm sorry. I do respect what you're trying to achieve here and is very much appreciated. I'm more about completing a mission but if I want to run it'll be my choice no matter what you or anybody says. Of course idling is annoying and I'm personally against it, but again it's their choice and they have the right to do it since it's their game. With all that being said, my best solution: play always with friends. That's what I do 90% of my gaming time. I always play with friends so I have no issues whatsoever. My friends or I can idle, run or complete with no problems and no complaints. In the end we are here to have fun and there are no rules I'm sorry. I wish for you the best and for you to have fun always. If you don't like someone (random) just leave and find another group. Honestly I've been also lucky when I play with other randoms...they've been cool and nice. Take it easy!

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                  • Why can't everyone just be a team player. If the team wants to blow past stuff, fine. I may not want to do it but the team does, so I do that. Unit cohesion is paramount with me...

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                  • Depends what mood I'm in, what strike it is, what difficulty it's on, whether I've just played it or not and I want to skip the dull enemies... That kinda thing

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                  • I'm a runner, I just want marks and rewards fast.

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                  • Runner, I honestly don't have much fun replaying the same strike for the 100th time. If I'm in the strike playlist then I'm more inclined to kill everything because the enemies are stronger and I get more experience, but if I'm just doing a normal strike outside of the playlist, I'm running past everything.

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                  • I'm a runner but i only run to where the strike, you know, actually starts, the darkness zones and all that.

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                  • They do get repetitive, but i always kill everything because it's a higher chance of getting engrams

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