Right let's talk about this patch. "Baby Bumpers" added to stop people pushing Atheon off. In my opinion this wasn't a glitch or bug but simply an exploit of the games mechanics. Some genius came up with the idea to push Atheon off because MOBS walk away from grenades. They outsmarted the devs with a creative and unique way to beat him and that obviously got under their skin. And if I'm correct I remember bungie saying that they wanted to see the different ways we would beat the bosses. However it was far to easy to push Atheon, and people non deserving of loot were getting it. So I think this change is for the greater good. What they should have done is fixed the glitches that break the raid. The glitches that mess up a run even if everyone does everything right. These glitches are not too bad on normal mode as normal mode is piss easy. However it's in hard mode that these glitches are more noticeable. [b]Not teleporting the right number of people. [/b] Sometimes it teleportes 1 or 2 people. This is infuriating especially when it happens near the end when Atheon is nearly dead. [b]Pretorians or Hobgoblins have glitch health. [/b] Alot of times the people who get teleported throw grenades and the relic holder slams the MOBS but for some reason the health goes back up. From a miniscule amount of health to full health. Sometimes his shield even comes back. [b]All oracles are destroyed but is says you succumb to the oracles. [/b] If we succumb to the oracles tell us before we destroy them not after. How many times we destroy oracles and it say we have succumb. [b]Portal is open but does not teleport players back. [/b] This is just unacceptable on your part bungie. Coming back through the portal is a key part of the raid. How did you not look into this when you made the raid. [b]Being detained and being killed by the supplicants. [/b] If we are detained by Atheon at least give us the chance to break out before the supplicants kill us. On hard mode this is very frustrating as you can't come back to life. [b]Killing all oracles and not getting Times Vengeance. [/b] Need I say more. [b]Atheon starts shooting before all oracles spawn. [/b] WTF. [b]Even when the relic shield is up being killed by splash damage. [/b] What is the point of having the shield if it can't protect you from damage. It can take a direct hit but can't protect you if Atheon shoots the floor infront you. These are just some of the problems off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more, if any of you guys are having the same problems or have any of your own add them and bump this. Bungie should have fixed these problems before adding kill platforms and baby bumpers. Stopped people from using creative methods but didn't address their own poor coding that ruins hours of hard work. Seems like their concern is to stop people from getting loot quickly rather than fix broken mechanics in raids. Get your priorities right!