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originally posted in: The Dark Below
10/30/2014 12:56:27 AM
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Dear Bungie, Destiny simply isn't what I expected. I've had great respect for the work you guys do from the first time I played Halo with my friends, and I followed the Destiny buildup until its release with edge-of-my-seat anticipation. To me, there's no story more compelling than that of humanity's very survival, and no pursuit more noble than fighting for the preservation of our species. It's what drew me to Halo, and what drew me to Destiny. It's teams of artists such as yourselves, who recognize the inherent nobleness of this concept and seek to bring it to millions, that inspire me, that give me something to look forward to after a long day at the office, that offer me the chance to escape a reality where the difference I make is marginal at best, and enter a reality where I have the chance to make a difference that feels like it matters, if only for a couple of hours every night. You brought me that sense of purpose and inspiration with Halo. But I don't feel this anymore. In Destiny, with a full loadout of legendary and exotic gear and having played through the full story, experiencing what the Crucible has to offer, battling my way through countless strike missions, finishing every bounty 100 times over, and exploring the complete extent of every map, I'm...bored. But it's worse than being bored. I don't feel anything. I've stuck with the game all these hours, whole days, desperately seeking to feel what I expected to when I first read about Destiny so many months ago. It isn't there. Although I initially thought that the lack of story was the problem, I've come to realize that the lack of story is only the tip of the iceberg. It's the part that's visible, that every Guardian who's also searching for that sense of purpose and fulfillment in Destiny can readily point to and say "That must be it". And it's a very valid concern. But the core problem with Destiny runs much deeper. The core problem, as far as I see it, is that you're utterly alone in the game. I'll attempt to expand as best I can. The reason the raid works so well (and is arguably the most successful part of the entire Destiny endeavor) is that it requires massive amounts of teamwork. It provides, upon beating Atheon, a sense of reward and togetherness that no other part of the game currently gives you as a player. I feel as though the team at Bungie would like to bring this experience to the wider majority of the game, but is confused as to how to do so, or is otherwise very conflicted as to how to go about doing so. I want to assure you that doing this would be exceptionally easy, and would make Destiny the game you want it to be and the game that we, the players, want it to be. My suggestions operate on the assumption that most Destiny players care about the notion of fighting for humanity. It is the premise of the entire game, the reason anyone who enjoys PvE wanted to become a Guardian in the first place. With that in mind, Bungie needs to begin addressing the issue of feeling alone in the game by giving players a shared experience outside of the raid. Sure, if you have enough friends with the game, you can link up a fireteam and do some of the same 4 strikes (now a staggering 5 strikes for only $19.99 on Xbox) you've done 5,000 times over, but the only emotional appeal to this is that you're doing something with your friends for a while, until you get bored, and let me assure you, killing the Archon Priest for the zillionth time is boring - boring enough that the friends I used to play with have quit the game. I feel that many can relate to this situation. In order to make your players feel something deeper and continue to invest in Destiny, we need to be able to actually fight for the very survival of humanity. Other people have left comments regarding this, and I'm mirroring their ideas and sentiments and not claiming them as my own, though I've had the very same thoughts as them for some time now. Bungie needs to actually put humanity on the brink. As Guardians, we need to be able to get an alert from The Tower while we're out collecting Spinmetal that The City is under a massive attack by The Fallen. We need to be able to see all the players around us disappear, heading to orbit just like we are, mashing our controllers to take us all back to defend The City. Upon arriving, we need to see droves upon droves of enemies marching to the walls, and have a way to get out in front of the walls to fight them in the plains before they reach the gates (troop transport ships on a loop that fly you over the city and drop you into battle, anyone?). We need to see dozens of other Guardians fighting tooth and nail to defend the last bastion of humanity alongside us, and we need this on at least a weekly basis. These kind of encounters can play out all over the solar system, and last a day at a time, giving many players the chance to enter the fight. Ground must be gained and lost, territories threatened, The City seen teetering on a precipice before you and your fellow Guardians prevail (or don't, which leads to many other, ridiculously interesting options for the game, and opportunities to fight for what is lost). Again, I don't claim such ideas and sentiments as my own, but I wanted to articulate them here in the hopes that someone with a voice inside Bungie HQ might raise these ideas that I very much believe thousands of players yearn for. If ideas like this were baked into the game, this crippling sense of solitude that one often feels while playing would effectively disappear, because we'd all be fighting for something together - something tangible, that we could see and feel and believe in. While you, Bungie, continue to release patches nerfing hard-earned exotic weapons, killing loot caves, restructuring the raid to prevent players from beating it with human ingenuity, and announcing DLC content that is quite honestly very lackluster and addresses none of the deep, even psychological ineptitudes within the Destiny universe, I assure you that even if the current numbers say otherwise, you are not building a 10 year franchise. Or a 5 year franchise. I'll be curious to know what those numbers reveal once other games are released through the holiday season. Somehow, I don't think they'll be very promising. Not considering what you gave us at launch, and how little you continue to give us. Destiny was a promise of something incredible that never was and still isn't. It could still become that, but my hope is waning, and that's a real shame, because this world you made for us, this repetitive, empty world - it's very pretty. Thanks for your time. I hope I get the chance to thank you for your efforts in the future.
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  • Thank you TwoBeersMears for sharing your thoughts. I copied exactly what you said and posted it to the Destiny reddit forum, making sure to give credit to you. You shared your ideas perfectly and if your ideas are actually inputted into the game, it would change what Destiny is. It would turn it from a great game to an amazing masterpiece. Once again, thank you for sharing your ideas in such a great way.

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  • So you really think they are going to change the whole game?? Nope! Maybe destiny 2 but then there will be three people playing it: probably you, george bush and my dog

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  • I don't believe they'll change it. Knowing gaming companies and publishers, our ideas are hardly heard. But if they actually look around they might improve the game. My advice to you is if you don't believe they will do anything to improve the game and you're that disappointed by it, return it and stop complaining. Some of us can still enjoy the game even if you don't.

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  • Im not really complaining about the game, i was just trying to get you out of this bubble. They are not listening to us and they will never gonna do that. I just think its shit they allready have content but waiting for it to bring out so they can get more money from us. This game has more hours of gameplay i have ever had on a game to be honest but still it doesnt live up to my expectations, maybe that was my fault for having too much trust in bungie:(

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  • Don't blame Bungie man. If you played any of the Halo games (not 4 or the other new ones), then you know Bungie can deliver. It's the publishers that decide what content actually is released to the public after everything is said and done. Bungie is fine, they can deliver to us. They are amazing creators, they just teamed up with a terrible publisher.

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  • Yeah halo 4 wasnt from bungie am i right? Halo was good but is history. This is "next-gen" so i expect "next-gen" shit. And its not the publishers, bungie decides if they want to give exclusives and shit, nobody else. And again i dont give a -blam!- about if ps4 gets more, i dont mibd paying for some dlc but they should give us more free missions, strikes and raids occasionaly.

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  • Edited by Saese: 10/30/2014 3:59:03 AM
    I agree that we should have some more content (I could care less about exclusives, I have Halo if I want exclusive). It would be nice if they could stop making patches and add more events. I enjoyed iron banner and the queens bounties quite a bit, even though it was the same game play with a few twists. The event I'm waiting for is the trials of Osiris, but I don't know how long we have to wait for it. It's just a matter of when they'll decide to make it all. Edit: Halo 4 and the remasters of the Halo series is being done by 343 industries. Great company still, they know what they're doing.

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  • Yeah waiting for that event as well, did the raid a few timea now and im stuck at boots, dont get anything from it thats why im a little pissed of lol

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  • Haha I need the gauntlets to finish the raid gear. I love doing the raid. my friend and I finished the Templar with 2 people today (tip: don't attempt with 3 or more unless you have 5/6 people. 2 people means relic holder can kill harpies in one light attack and minotaurs in 1 heavy). It was fun doing it and having to survive enrage mode for a good while. If you ever need someone to join in (or two usually) and you're on 360, add me. Gamertag is the same as my Bungie name.

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  • Get that xbox one son! Lol

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  • Money's tight lol I'll get it when the chance presents itself.

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  • Bump... Bumpety bump. well put. I too enjoy destiny, an the OP eloquent thoughts hit the nail on the head

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  • Literally the saddest thing i read. You should read Tolkien's essays on escape v fantasy.

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  • Kudos on the long but from the heart post 😇 This is exactly how my bf & i are now feeling. We could NOT wait for release after beta. Honestly cant rem the last time we were this excited about a game coming out. Saving up cause we had to have it. Telling everyone we knew about this awesome game coming out that would put other games out of business lol. We came in with such excitement even creating a clan just to have teams & make new friends, excited like us. Wanting to be apart of the history of something we had thought would be full of so much new gaming possibilities. But Destiny got, old fast AND yet we still held out hope in the first month even now. We thought Bungie would really listen to the community. But thats also what we thought beta was for & did. But now that we have played & done it all over & over, doing Vog & Crucible, IB & NF Strikes day after day with rewards system being messed up for so many & seeing that this game still needs a LOT of work in sooo many areas... well.... disappointed & bored aren't the feelings we & many friends in our clan are having..its more like were all REALLY sad. 😕 😢

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  • Gullible

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  • I agree as well the game needs something, call the defense of the city siege or something like that, also I'd like to have space combat with our jump ships that we use to get to the various destinations in the game, I'd also like to go the other planets in our solar system and yes even Pluto that ball that we keep reclassifying a lot, the gold chest should either be expanded or platinum chests that carry purple or yellow rare items since some players can't get on the crucible matches like me.

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  • Why cant you go on crucible?

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  • Direct tv Internet

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  • Dont get it haha

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  • It's a Sat dish instead of a standard telephone hard line so there will be a serious lag and delay with loading certain things, I can play the story missions, strikes, and patrol missions but not crucible matches or see other players for that matter

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  • You should get rid of that dish then bro haha

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  • I agree with your idea. Bungie needs to give us more content and exploration for free.

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  • In essence, you're asking for a Full Party Raid. A horde-style battle on a war-like setting with traditionally 24 players at a time. Most popular MMOs have this in them. In fact, they're usually the Holy Grail of the game. With unique stories per war, each one being released once a month and lasting for two to three weeks. I honestly do like your opinion. I haven't played as much as most right now because I'm giving the game breathing room (like you're supposed to in MMOs). I have gone Hollow (losing total interest) once after being the team leader again in a control match. I thought "what's the point?" and turned off my console, walking outside into the "real world" and immediately come back in because I could feel myself burn in the sunlight. The next day, I turned Destiny on again, and played until I wanted to stop, 11:00. The issue is that people binge the game. This isn't about running out of content, but rather that there's so much to do that they don't want to do anything. It's same idea as when you come home and you have three essays due the next day and a test, so you take a nap.

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  • Got it al wrong bud! Put in a loy of work and im disapointed in this game

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  • That's what I'm saying. Don't put in work. Play the game on Friday occasion.

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