of all the times i've done this raid, you seem to have gotten the unlucky bunch of shitlords that think they're better, don't think all lvl 30's are like this btw, there's just a select few with a big mouth and bigger e-peen that have to justify their worthless lives with virtual items. I've cheesed Atheon more than i've beaten him legit, I've only beaten the Templar legit like 2 times, but.. is it that hard for some people? Like, seriously, its simple, especially if you're at least 27, then you can just dominate most mobs. Anyways, i suggest finding some friends with Destiny LFG, if they're cool, friend them, and get together a designated group for the raid each week, thats what i did, and now the raid is not only a cakewalk, but it's alot more fun too!