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Edited by Ascent:
10/26/2014 10:39:11 PM
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The hunter is the most useless on hard mode as he really has nothing to offer as team support and his killing abilities are only just as good as he other classes. Playing the raid on all three classes I can say Warlocks are by far the best because of the self revive which is really OP. On hard there is no revives so hunters can't stealth revive anyone and even on normal you really don't need stealth to revive people. Golden Gun on hard can't kill oracles in one shot and the reason people cheese it is because it gets boring once it is your sixth time running the raid that week. Yes the raid is fun to do the first or second time properly, but once it is your third or fourth time doing the raid it is really boring so you just do it the fastest way possible. I really feel like the classes were balanced fairly well for PVP (besides titan, the titan in general needs a buff, his melee needs far more range) but on PVE the classes are in no way near balanced and the Warlock is by far the best. Considering that the Hunter is my main account and my favorite class, I really do have a solid opinion on why the Warlock is the best class in PVE with just about everything being better for it.
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Why does everyone hate the hunter. I think that when the patch comes out and u can't push atheon off or the templer the warlock will be useless for the raid and no one will want a warlock to do the raid with
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I'm really not referring to the warlock's ability to push atheon off the edge (not many people know this but the titan can push him off too), I'm referring to the warlock's ability to survive longer thanks to his self revive. I do not hate the hunter, it is my favorite class to play, although I do feel that it is the worst in PVE.
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you have got to be 1 of the biggest idiots the warlock can self revive on hard mode also while in sunsinger using fire bolt grenade you dont have to aim just jump and throw and it hits every enemy close to you you really should think before typing you just make yourself look stupid
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I play as a hunter and get more kills then half my raid team combined at confluxes, oracles, and gatekeepers. It's all based on skill really and set up more people tend to play as Titan and warlock in the raid because they have safety nets which help the less skilled players in hard mode.
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I play as a hunter I dont think they are useless in the raid. When it comes to the gatekeeper portals if you hit the gatekeepers in the portal with the shield special then the hunters golden gun they are dead in literally seconds meaning there is less time your team mates have to defend the sync place. However the best class for vog I would say is the titan. Yes the warlock can self revive but that just means he makes up for his mistake of dying. The defender can protect and buff your teammates making the best class for vog considering the warlock is only useful if the warlock dies
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ummm to be honest sunsinger with solar or firebolt grenades even before you die on hard mode is useful solar grenade is used like a deffensive barrier from minotaurs they dont try run through it and punch you maybe you should learn some different techniques if theres a will theres a way i find all 3 classes useful you just feel the need to bash some 1 elses class because some 1 bashed yours just makes you a sheep following what every 1 else is doing.
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No the self revive is useful don't get me wrong especially if its like they are the last on alive but when everyone keeps saying it is the best class for vog and it isn't you can get through the raid without a warlock or a hunter (which is my class) but it's -blam!-ing difficult doing it without a defender
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So because a Hunter can't throw a bubble down or reduce team cooldowns they're worthless? Hmm...I've never relied on those attributes in the past. They might be useful, but they aren't the answer for everything. Warlock can self revive...cool. If that did any damage or any good for anyone other than themselves. You're a silly boy, aren't you?
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you obviously dont understand radiance buffed shields instant grenades when you get low health punch an enemy get flame shield you really all of those things are used to help in the raid because whilst in radiance anything i kill even with a gun drops an orb for my team who more than likely has an armour piece that regens health when they pick up an orb of light so yes being a warlock on sunsinger is definitley helping the team maybe you just need to learn some new techniques instead of wasteing time on here talking shit
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Maybe you should have looked at my character roster before jumping the gun and pointing obvious, yet useless facts. Hunter has health regeneration upon melee kills as well. Not sure why anything is getting close enough to melee you, but that's sunbro logic for ya. Why care if you die when you can rez? My point here was that the difference in class skills is so minute that the level of skill each player has is the most important.
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i did and i saw you had a warlock and thats why i said YOU need to learn some new techniques because you have a warlock and your saying sunsinger is only good for the person using it which means YOU arent using it right and because of you not useing it right you tihnk its not a good team effort class which sounds like a YOU problem not a sunsinger problem. that is why i dont bash any class or subclass because i know its based on skill which you obviously lack in the sun singer class
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Ahh, so you're all upset because you misunderstood and thought I bashed your class. The usefulness of the skills you described is minimal, especially when being used to bash another class. I know full well the potential of Warlocks, that's why I made one. To put one class on a pedestal above the others was the ignorance I tried to clear up in the first place. This was just a misunderstanding.
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typical troll trying to say im upset all that means is you have nothing smart to say to defend yourself and also i never tried to use the sunsinger skills to bash any class you tried to bash on the sunsinger so i defended it by pointing out its usefulness not my fault your ignorant to such usefull skills.
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You are clearly far more upset then I am. I didn't accuse you of anything, and I certainly have nothing to prove over an Internet forum. Like I said, this was a misunderstanding.
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you didnt accuse me of anything i know this but you did imply it which is basically the same most are just not smart enough to see the implication in words. you implied it when saying the list of skills i said are minimal especially when being used to bash another class, which i do not do. i dont see why you insist on me being upset when all im doing is letting you and whoever else reads this know that the sunsinger is an awesome team based subclass all though you might not think so that is your problem and maybe one day you will work that out. Peace and goodluck with that
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Edited by Zwei Fear: 10/27/2014 6:00:06 AMThis is known to me...I have one...we covered this. My reply was in response to someone saying that Warlocks put Hunters to shame, going so far as to say that Hunters are worthless by comparison. I'm not arguing that Warlock has these skills, but they were blown way out of proportion. Perspective. I also never implied an accusation. Often when we guess at others motives we reveal only our own.
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often but not always everything i typed was plain to see and easy to understand so no way for implications? bashing a class with sarcasm is still bashing a class which is what you did so if your gonna attack im not gonna have a cry and attack your class il simply let you know the usefulness of my own and that is why you seem like a troll. Good day to you.
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Well, good day to you then sir.
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[quote]his killing abilities are only just as good as he other classes[/quote] lolwut? what super is better at killing? titan smash that puts you in the middle of enemies or the voidbomb that no one uses? a hunter that doesnt die is far more useful than a sunbro who doesn't die since the hunter will actually use his super. [quote] Golden Gun on hard can't kill oracles in one shot[/quote] true, but can any other super do that? the golden gun does a great job softening up the minotaurs
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The raid isn't so much killing as much as it it surviving, the only thing you need to kill quickly is the oracles and other things sacrificing to the confluxes. The fact that three shots with the golden Gun can't kill a Pretorian is a little ridiculous, and if you include the animation time and switching back weapons, I really think that it is easier to just use your heavy weapon against Minotaurs and Pretorians, but I might be a little biased because I have the Corrective Measure which is a beast of a heavy machine gun. While the Hunter's super is the best at killing the minions during the raid, the hunter also has the worst grenades of any class, which brings his killing abilities more in line with the other classes. Considering the extra team support options and the ability to survive longer that the warlock and titan supers offer, this is what makes the Hunter the worst class in the raid. I am not really sure what you mean when you ask if any other super can kill an oracle, because since no class can, the hunter really isn't very useful since it really does not have much of a specialty during the raid.
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allow me to preface this by saying this is all based on a good hunter who doesn't die. i'll give you that a hunter who struggles is less useful than any other class. [quote] the only thing you need to kill quickly is the oracles and other things sacrificing to the confluxes[/quote] the golden gun one shots fanatics and the AoE from their explosion softens up everything around them. the hunter super is better at this than anyone else's. although the golden gun can't one shot oracles it still puts alot of damage on them. it's still free damage everytime you get tele'd. i think youre writing that off too quickly [quote]The fact that three shots with the golden Gun can't kill a Pretorian is a little ridiculous[/quote] can any other super? you cant say the hunter is weak offensively because his super cant do something no other super can do. that being said, rockets are faster and i dont advise using the goldengun instead of a gjalla against a praetorian. [quote]the hunter also has the worst grenades of any class[/quote] none of his grenades can be used to push a boss off the map if that's what you mean. well placed tripmines kill multiple adds, and high to atheon with times vengence. far from the worst grenades of all [quote] Considering the extra team support options and the ability to survive longer that the warlock and titan supers offer[/quote] yes, the titan bubble benefits the team more than any hunter ability, but saying the warlock super is better assumes the hunter dies. a hunter who doesnt die is far more useful than a sunbro who doesnt die since the sunbro will sit on his super until he goes down, while a hunter will use it all the time, dealing more damage and generating more orbs than the warlock. [quote]I am not really sure what you mean when you ask if any other super can kill an oracle, because since no class can, [/quote] if no other super can kill oracles, how does that make the golden gun worse than any other super? what other super can even damage oracles (the red timestream ones, not the templar ones)? [quote]the hunter really isn't very useful since it really does not have much of a specialty during the raid.[/quote] the hunters speciality is kill everything quickly, which it does better than any other class.
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I see why you would say warlocks are the best. However I disagree survivability on a Titan is much stronger in that I can bubble to stay safe and keep the raid members safe at the same time buffing (preferably with weapons if light) and my mele provides a shield which on the Templar phases and actual fight is extremely useful. I get self revive is cool but I think the Titan offers more to the raid. Hunters need something like that maybe the third subclass will provide it.
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YES this is so true for someone who mains hunters i strongly believe they are useless in the raid.
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I agree, hunters are designed for PVP. All their abilities are essentially based on killing the enemy before they realize what's happening, which can't and shouldn't work against bosses.
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I agree completely
