I agree with this post in ways and in ways dont For new people to the raid i do i feel you should be able to experience what everyone had to do in the beginning before people figured out how to push off the templar and atheon whether they are trying it on hard or normal I disagree only when you have done the same raid already a 1000 times since release and your trying to make a run at the boss real quick to get loot but i do believe ultimately these guys pushing him off need to be taken out even tho it is a mechanic of the game it is way to easy to do