Hunters, in general, are the weakest for the raid. That's not to say they're useless, though. Warlocks and Titans both have support-style supers that bring more to the team than hunters do. That said, I do somewhat understand if people want to glitch the Templar off the edge with grenades. It's not only faster, but does also give you an extra chest easily - normal or hard. I hardly see the point in glitching Atheon off on normal, it's extremely easy to just do that legit. I do, however, understand wanting to do it on hard. I've had a full team of 30's, myself being the only 29, and still spending 3 hours on the gatekeeper + atheon legit. Most people want to get the loot the easiest way possible, because doing it the hard way is time spent. Time spent doing something that's nearly impossible to do without that loot to begin with(something that's 100% up to RNG). I've done both normal and hard legit; I've met the challenge; I've spent the time. After completing it god knows how many times, I'm a bit tired of spending hours on end getting 5 time breakers, 5 of the same raid helmet, 4 VoG ships, 3 visions of confluence, 3 found verdicts, 2 corrective measures. Not one Atheon's epilogue. No Fatebringer. No Vexmythoclast. Only one pair of raid gloves. I get the same items I already have, constantly. I have more shards and energy than I can even imagine what to do with right now. I'm a little disappointed each time I don't get something I'm still trying to get, sure. But I'm not that bothered by it. I'm used to getting boned by RNGesus(in this game and others). You may not like the idea of glitching him off, and that's fine. But not everyone enjoys having to go to a third-party website to try and scrounge up whatever unorganized, impatient people you can find. Don't get me wrong, I've met some of the coolest people this way, but I've also had my absolutely most infuriating experiences on Destiny this way as well. IF there were matchmaking, at least it'd be fairly quick to find people. Or even a way to show that you're looking for a raid group in the tower would be nice, so you can check people out before you invite them. If I'm with random people, I'd rather just get it done as quick and easily as possible. I'd rather get it done, instead of spending 2 hours attempting to finish the Templar or Atheon fight legit, and then having some Dunning-Kruger ragequit. It'll be patched soon, though. So it's not even worth raging about. If you want to do it legit, just look for a group all on that same page. Explicitly say you don't want to glitch/cheese. Complaining about it is pointless and just makes you look like a fool, honestly. Everyone has their own priorities, and they may not be shared by yourself. That's life.