Quite honestly, when I get into raids with people I don't know or helping them out for the first time they almost always ask me, "Can we cheese this Atheon/Templar", I ALWAYS respond with a quick no because not only do you need to learn how to do it yourself but doing it the "Cheese" way isn't that rewarding. I almost always find it faster to just kill the bosses and they are the easy part of the raids anyways.